Great news, there seems to be much renewed interest in tracing our heritage and especially our family name. Recently there was a meeting in Wisconsin with thirteen committed researchers meeting and sharing information they have gleaned over the years. Mike Shaver coordinated the meeting getting a place where they could all share and supplying locations for copying photos, disks, and written information.
My plans were made to be there with them, however complications in my area prevented the trip. However, they have not been closeted with their information and already I have received much data and clarification of marriages and parental lineages of some in question.
I am grateful for their continued work and freedom to share the Northern line of Crye’s. The Southern line has taken so many avenues that tracing it all together is a creative effort in coordination.
This week on the web I located six men who were listed in the World War I Civilian Draft Registration. Of the six, four were listed from Madison, LA born between 1880 and 1898. The remaining two were from Arkansas and were white. Many of our Louisiana and Mississippi Crye’s seem to descend from David Crye who may be married to a Celia, Holly, or Hettie. So far this David has me confused as to where he falls in the lineage.
Each time I search the web I have copied much material for the Crye line, but putting it all together is a tough job. Without input from additional family members I am afraid that I may make “assumptive” mistakes. So, if there are mistakes in the family connections, please don’t hesitate to inform me and share your knowledge.
I look forward to additional communication with each of you and until then, may we all have success in “Connecting the Dots”. Anita
WILLS OF WILLIAM CRYE,
JOHN and JAMES CRYE
OF MECKLINBURG, VA.
In the first newsletter we presented three wills found in Mecklinburg Co., NC. I posed a few questions in the second edition of this paper and received some conversation concerning your thoughts on the matter. (Please refer to the wills printed in the first issue of this newsletter) The following is a portion of a letter received from Irene Morgan who has done extensive research on the family line.
I found these documents very interesting reading for a variety of reasons. First, in addition to the genealogical aspect, I am basically a social historian at heart, and the glimpses they give of the personal lives of these Cryes is wonderful.
Second, the fact that John Crye mentioned his son William and his dau Margaret only to leave them one Spanish milled dollar is of note. Why did he do this? It usually indicates that there was some discord if such an item appears in a will, even today. However, dau Margaret was the wife of Thomas Walker, and he was named one of the exrs, something you wouldn't expect if there were bad feelings of some kind. It has been suggested that perhaps father John was a Tory and as both William and Thomas Walker fought on the Colonists side in the Revolution he didn't like that. (It's hard for me to think John was a Royalist, however.) However, dau Sarah was the wife of Andrew Walker, a brother of Thomas, who also fought on the side of Colonists. (The Walkers were from Ireland, incidentally - that was mentioned in their Rev War military records that I looked up at the National Archives, just for fun.) Another thought is that all the children, except William, stayed in Papa's area and perhaps that was why he left him out, but that doesn't explain doing the same with dau Margaret. An interesting conundrum.
Third, John and James made out their wills within months of each other; then James outlived John by five years. Makes one wonder what their "...sick and weak..." was associated with.
Fourth, it looks like Samuel made out his will immediately after his father's death and passed away six months later. One wonders, again, what his cause of death was.
Fifth, it is noteworthy that Samuel actually left land to his sister Sarah, as that was a departure from the norm of the times. You'll notice that John and James left stock and belongings to their daughters, but not land, which was the prevailing practice at the time. Women were not usually given that kind of economic power in Colonial times. John did not leave land to his wife, even, although he did leave her money and the right to remain in the house. Of note, too, is that James does not mention a wife at all, and neither does Samuel. Since he doesn't list any children one wonders if he had ever married at all or perhaps he had and wife and child died in childbirth. One wonders.
Sixth, both John and James had John McCorkle as a witness, who must have been a neighbor and close friend. He appears in the 1790 census and also on a number of land transactions involving the Crye's that I have and on John's, another witness was Elizabeth (C) Gordon. With two of John's daughters, Sarah and Margaret, married to Walker's one wonders is this might have been their mother?
Seventh, John, for sure, appears to have been a prosperous land owner considering he gave three sons farms. When you stop to think about the size of the Isle of Man, from which he came, which is 30 miles from top to bottom and 12 miles across at its widest point, he must have taken great pride in the ownership of so many acres. On the Isle of Man, as you probably know, actual ownership of land was extremely difficult and the pieces of land worked were very small. (I still wonder if the Crye's were land or sea people on the Isle of Man. I haven't come across anything that indicates that one way of the other, but either way, I'm sure it was the lure of land ownership that motivated them to the Colonies. What do you think?) Enjoy! I look forward to further exchanges in the future.
In the last edition I mentioned that I thought Sarah might have married Jacob Ormond, but seeing the marriages and information provided above it seems to show that Sarah was married to Andrew Walker. I have been sent some information on the lineage of Andrew and Sarah, so far I have three children listed. If someone has further research on this line, please contact me so I can update the files.
Many have questioned if there is Indian in our background. At this time, I haven’t found the Crye name to be Indian, however the men may have married into Indian lineage.
In Roll # 12166, John W. Cry from Athens, TN, McMinn County applies for land grant from the U.S. Govt. The following is his statement:
“That I am 46 years of age and live in McMinn Co. TN. I claim my Indian descent through my father and his father. My father was born and raised in Cherokee Co. NC, I think.
He went from N.C. to GA and somewhere between the Mexican and Civil Wars. I think he went to Red Clay, GA and then he came to TN. My grandfather was born and raised in Cherokee Co. NC. My grandfather left NC between the two wars. My grandfather lived amongst the Indians, but I don’t know whether he was a member of the tribe. Neither my father nor grandfather were on any roll, nor were any of my ancestors that I know of. My grandfather sometimes went by the name of Croye. I don’t know where my father was in 1835. My grandfather claimed 1/2 Cherokee. I am recognized as a white person. My wife is a white woman. James Ritchie who has filed application #19729 is a cousin of mine and claims through William Crye too. That is the only source he claims through. Signed: John W. Crye, Athens, TN., June 27, 1908. Exception Case: Rejected. Total number of exceptions filed in this group - 1. Original recommendation renewed.
U.S. Social Security Death Index
|Crye, Luther died 1974||Crye, Charlie died 1979|
|Crye, Albert died 1976||Crye, George died 1979|
|Crye, Jessee died 1976||Crye, Jennie died 1979|
|Crye, Lena died 1976||Crye, John died 1979|
|Crye, Mary died 1976||Crye, John died 1980|
|Crye, Pauline died 1976||Crye, Laverle died 1980|
|Crye, Esther died 1977||Crye, Mary died 1980|
|Crye, Ruby died 1977||Crye, Joseph died 1981|
|Crye, Sallie died 1977||Crye, Walter died 1981|
|Crye, Vernon died 1977||Crye, Claude died 1982|
|Crye, Houston died 1978||Crye, Elizabeth died 1982|
|Crye, Joseph died 1978||Crye, Hazel died 1982|
|Crye, Nancy died 1978||Crye, Lucille died 1982|
|Crye, Shimmon died 1978||Crye, LuLu died 1982|
|Crye, Bennie died 1979||Crye, R. died 1982|
|Crye, Carl died 1979||Crye, Thadious died 1982|
According to most research and even from census accounts, William Crye came from the Isle of Mann (IOM), Jurby. Thus, you have seen reference several times in this newsletter to IOM. Anytime you see these initials you will understand where we are talking about. Geographically the Isle of Man is part of the British Islands, situated midway between England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales. This small country has a land mass of some 227 square miles (572 sq. kms) and measures at its extremities 33 miles (52 kms) by 13 miles (22 kms).
What the Island lacks in size it makes up for in its variety of scenery which covers virtually every type found elsewhere in the British Isles, ranging from vast stretches of open moorland, thickly wooded glens to palm fringed ponds. Encompassed within over 100 miles (160 kms) of coastline there is a central range of mountains and hills lying in a North Easterly/South Westerly direction with well defined valleys leading down to rocky cliffs and sheltered bays.
In the North of the Island there is a flat plain with lazy rivers and streams meandering across fertile countryside to long sandy beaches. The climate is equable, lacking in extremes and enjoying the warming influence of the Gulf stream which flows around the shoreline. Prevailing winds blow from the South West, giving varying degrees of shelter and exposure island wide due to the rugged nature of the topography. Once clear of the winter months the weather quickly becomes finer and from April through to October pleasant settled weather conditions are the norm. In the summer, the months of May and June are usually the driest whilst May, June and July are the sunniest. July and August are the warmest.
Currently the population stands at 73,000 giving the Island one of the lowest population densities in Europe and with about 40% of the Island being uninhabited there is always plenty of room to move around. The major business centre is based on Douglas, the capital, which together with nearby Onchan accounts for some 50% of the total population
Rich in history, the Isle of Man can look back on a tapestry of events from the introduction of farming in the fourth millennium BC, the Manx Iron Age from 500 BC to 500 AD, the Celtic traditions, through to Christianity and Viking rule of the ninth century.
During the mid-thirteenth to early fifteenth centuries, Sovereignty passed frequently between Scotland and England, with occasional incursions from Ireland.
By the eighteenth century, it had become a major centre for the smuggling trade and to put a stop to this, the British Government enacted a new law in 1765, namely the Re-Vestment Act and purchased the entire Island for just £70,000.
Whilst these measures were designed to save the UK Treasury approximately £100,000 per annum, they deprived the Islanders of their main source of income.
Throughout the centuries the Isle of Man has developed a way of life and a culture all of its own. Many world events such as the Roman and Norman invasions of Britain passed it by and the Island quietly took visits from Irish and Scottish freebooters in its stride. The arrival of the Vikings however, did leave a lasting mark on this tiny Celtic nation.
After a period of turbulence the Celts and Vikings came together as one nation and without a doubt the greatest single gift left by these fearsome Northern warriors was a unique system of Government that exists to the present day - Tynwald.
When famine hit the island and the mines closed, large numbers of Manx miners left Man for South Africa, Australia, Canada and the United States.
The tall, fair, blue-eyed people lived in the northern part of the island which is where our ancestor John Crye, born in 1727 gives as record of his birth.
The people are mainly of Scandic-Celtic origin and are referred to as Manx/Vikings. The original people were small dark people of Mediterranean origin, later mixing with the tall, blond, blue-eyed Vikings, leaving Man with a mixture of both types today.
John F. Crye
Bradley County TN soldiers in the Civil War. Leading Rebel in the second district, Crye, Jonathan. Leading Union Persons in the Third District: James Crye. From The Churches of Blount Co. TN. “There is a story that an unknown man killed on the Great War Path was the first burial, also a man named George Best and his brother-in-law Simeon Crye were “bushwhacked:” at Tomotley Ford during the Civil War and were buried here.” Richard Crye, Company K 12th REG, GA VOL INFT “Marion Guards”. John Cry is found in the Virginia Military Records of Northampton for Feb 17, 1776 and James Crye, Pvt, CO I REG 53rd TN died June 23, 1863 buried in Finn’s Point; Salem, New Jersey
From Larry Crye in Ohio:
This family history is
a written memorial history from Uncle Frank.
(copied as written)
For the first generation of which I have any knowledge of are the three Crye brothers that set sail from Ireland in the latter part of the 17th Century for the shores of America and perhaps there might have been a fourth of which we have no name, which will be mentioned more extensively in these articles, at least his ancestors will get honorable mention later on in these writings, but for the present we shall endeavor to set forth our knowledgeable information of the three brothers who, after landing on the bleak shores of New England, made their way to what is now called Blount County, Tennessee and took up residence on the fertile soil of Nine Mile Creek bottoms. There great grandfather, whose name was John Crye, reared his family which consisted of seven children; six girls and one son. Their last baby’s name was John Shimmon Crye, my grandfather. (The name of Shimmon gets into the picture because he married a girl whose maiden name was Shimmons). The first John Crye herein mentioned, the father of these six girls consisting of two sets of twins. Two of these girls married Carpenters, who also were citizens of Blount County, TN. Elisha Carpenter and Matthew Carpenter. I have heard my father mention their names quite often referring to them as Uncle Lish and Uncle Matt. Another of these six girls married a Lee which gave my father a host of first cousins also. Another one of these girls married a Scott. Allison Scott, a farmer and a blacksmith, living in the region of Greenback. I remember seeing him quite often there. My father, John Riley Crye had more cousins, one named Joe Scott, whom I loved dearly, about the age of my father. Allison lived in Louden Co. Another of these girls married Tom Anderson, who also lived in Louden Co, TN in a town then known as Morgantown situated on the bank of the Tennessee River and was a shipping point by boat to other markets. That town is now extinct.
On the IOM there are several cemeteries, however only one has been submitted with graves that interested me. In Jurby there are several graves in this particular graveyard, but here are names with a Crye connection.
January 3rd, 1754
September 11, 1765,
June 22, 1743,
I am sure the alias Kneale and alias Brew must mean maiden name as this is listed on several of the women’s graves, but none of the men’s
Dear Ms. Green:
I found your postcard among some material and wanted to inquire about your progress regarding the CRYE name. I hail from CRYE heritage in Blount County, TN. Please update me with information that you have obtained regarding this strand of CRYE and the origins of the CRYE name. P.A. Crye
I think you will find this issue very interesting as I have included a partial manuscript shared from Larry Crye. I will be happy to send you the information that I have regarding this line. Thank you so much for your letter and additional addresses.
I would like to receive a copy of your newsletter and a copy of the family tree questionnaire which I will fill out. I will look forward to hearing from you. Y. Crye
On the 1870 census you show Susan L. (Age 24) and George W. Crisp as living with William Crye, family of Hugh H. There is a script note that Hugh married Susan who was the daughter of Sarah and Rice Crisp. On the 1880 census, Hugh is married to Susan A (age 25). The ages and middle initials do not match up. I find this curious, don’t you? If you have any ideas, let me know.
I don’t know if anyone else has answered your question or not, but here goes. The Cherokee people had a sort of “clan” system within the tribes that followed the mother’s lineage. There was the dog (actually wolf), bird, deer, wild potato, paint, blue and long hair. One member from each clan was “appointed” to Cherokee council who ruled over the entire tribe. Out of the seven clans each person had close ties with four of the clans, namely their mother’s father’s, grandmother’s and grandfather’s clans. People were encouraged to marry someone from their one of their grandparents clans.
Please send all responses for queries to
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Cleveland, TN 37311
|1. I have been looking for my great grandmother (may have been named Mary Elizabeth CRYE) who married John Silver and moved to Cadillac area of Central Michigan. Do you have a Michigan connection? There is a Jacob Silver marrying Matilda Ellen CRYE in Paulding, Ohio, but I think that is an uncle. Any help would be appreciated. email@example.com|
|2. Looking for connections to Elisha or Elihu CRYE who were in Blount Co. TN ca 1829 and are buried in the Williamson Cemt in Blount Co, TN.|
|3. Seeking parents of Thomas CRYE (1858-1926) who married Elizabeth HANNAH (1868-1929). Both are buried in Avon Cemetery, NY. There seems to be a HANNAH and CRYE connection coming from Union Co, NC in 1860.|
|4. Looking for descendants of David CRYE who married Hettie FUTCH, March 13, 1874 in Scott Co., Mississippi. Was this David also known as William, David William and was he also possibly married to Elizabeth?|
|5. Australia CRYE’S. Elizabeth Catherine Corkill, chr 1833 Jurby IOM, mother was Eliza CRYE, father John CRYE. Eliza had a sister Ann who also came to Australia, but cannot find out when. Do you connect with this family?|
|6. Andrew WALKER married Sarah CRYE, they have a daughter Elizabeth WALKER who married James Newell HOUSTON. Any information on this family line would be helpful. http:///www.syix.com/lwithrow|
|7. Sarah CRYE and Andrew WALKER have a daughter named Easter Catherine WALKER who married Aaron HOUSTON. Could she and her sister Elizabeth WALKER who married James Newell HOUSTON married brothers?|
|8. Looking for descendants of Jonathan CRY and Eunice LYTLE who were married in Grant Co. Indiana, 1856. 1860 Census list them with children Joseph 4; Elizabeth 2; and Peter 1. firstname.lastname@example.org|