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 VOL 4
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agcrye@bellsouth.net 
2000

January 2000
“WINTER”

      This newsletter falls quickly on the heels of December ‘99.  In looking at the format I have been using I have decided to make this a quarterly newsletter.  In the future, each issue will be mailed January/February/March “WINTER”; April/May/June “SPRING”; July/August/September “SUMMER”; October/November/December “FALL”.  This will be one more newsletter during the year, but will allow me to get on a schedule that will fit my calendar year and allow me to work a little more efficiently.

    The December issue of ‘99 didn’t get mailed out as my granddaughter was born November 30, 1999.  I never knew how a little baby could totally upset your best-laid plans.  My computer went down and my printer broke a cog, none of this to the credit of my new little Rose, however this birth did change things and consequently my publication was put on a back burner.  I did ask others to help me and with help from other researchers “connect the dots” I was able to share in the last issue some information regarding a “splinter” from the Crye family that came to PA in the 1700’s, went to NC, then headed north with other family members.  I found new items that interested me in the manuscript and some items, which actually answered questions I had regarding additional names I had located.

     With this mail-out, you will find December 1999, Winter 2000, and Spring 2000; this will get me back on tract and allow you to catch up too.  With all this new information at your disposal, maybe you have a certain family line you wish for me to put in the newsletter, maybe some suggestions of additional items you wish to see.  If you share with me, I can put much more in the newsletter and this will enable each of us to learn.  So, I look forward to hearing from you with your ideas.

     I am doing my best to work out a reunion in North Georgia/Alabama for August.  I haven’t all the plans ready at this time, but feel that an annual reunion of some kind needs to be instituted.  Too many of our relatives have passed away this year and with them, knowledge.  Enclosed you will find a stamped post card.  I am interested in knowing how many of you are still interested in staying on the mailing list.
 Again, I would love to hear from more of you and tell you more of my “Rose”.
Anita….



SPECIAL INTEREST ARTICLE
Continued from the last issue
     An additional deed, executed December 26, 1895 indicates that Annie E. Norris sold her half of the land deeded in 1893 to her brother, James M. Smith.  At this time, then, while Cynthia continued to live there, all the land was owned by her son, James M. Smith.  However, the 1896 Vernon Co. plat map continues to show the 80-acre farm as being owned by C. Smith.
 

    The August 19, 1898 issue of the LaFarge Enterprise provided the following information:

84th Birthday
     Arbor, August 12 was a beautiful day and many of our readers took occasion to visit the home of Mrs. Cynthia Smith, who by reason of strength has already passed the four-score-years limit to life and claims the promise offered in Psalms, “with long life will I satisfy him and show him my salvation.”
   The gathering was in honor of Mrs. Smith’s 84th birthday and was a very fitting occasion with good cheer and kind words for the old feeble mother in Israel.  Such works of attention are like flowers strewn by the pathway which we think will and does give many a good reflection in their calm and reserve moments when we are looking forward to the time when “we shall know as we are known” in that home prepared for the faithful.
   Those present and enjoying the occasion were:  J.W. Olvard (sic) and wife, A. W. Potter and wife, G.W. Norris and wife, Misses Maud Calloway, Louella Page, Malinna Norris, and Janie Olvard (sic) relatives; others were H. Sholts, E. Gandy, N. Berkshire, L.Trappe, H. Cather, M. Potter, M. Steinmetz, B. Bender.
    For clarification, Arbor appears to be the post office area that included the Smith farm.  Additional information about those attending can be obtained by contacting this author.
 

   Two items appeared in the December 16, 1898 issue of the LaFarge Enterprise.

Newburn Ridge
Mrs. Cintha (sic) Smith was buried yesterday.  Grandma, as everybody called her, was 84 years past she leaves two sons, one daughter and a brother and a
host of friends to mourn their loss.

   Further down on the same (front) page was:

At Rest
    Cynthia Smith was born in North Carolina, August 11, 1814 and died at her home near LaFarge, December 6, 1898.  At the advanced age of 84 years, 3 months and 26 days, she laid down her life work, beloved and respected by those who knew her.  She was an honored member of the Christian church at Maple Ridge where she will be greatly missed.  “With long life will I satisfy him and show him my salvation”  is a promise of literal fulfillment in her life and in old age she is upholden by “His hand” for she has fallen asleep in Him.
 

     It is not known where Cynthia is buried.  There is no death certificate on file for her in Vernon Co., although there are for both her husband and son, who died 21 years earlier.




 
   Since Adam Smith’s death certificate stated he was buried at Newburn Ridge Cemetery the question arose as to whether or not Cynthia was buried there as well.  A careful walk through and examination of all the stones in that cemetery determined that there is no stone for either of them.  An effort was made to see who was in possession of the cemetery book and it was learned that it had been lost in a fire, so if they are buried at Newburn there is no known way to ascertain that fact.  A second possibility exists for Cynthia, since her obituary said she was a member of the Christian Church at Maple Ridge, there may be a burying ground associated with that church and she could possibly have been interred there.  Further investigation is needed to clarify this.
SUMMARY:

   Cynthia Ann Crye – the daughter of a farmer and the wife of a farmer – was born and died on land owned by her family.  When she married Adam Smith, nine years her senior, she was a month past her seventeenth birthday.  She gave birth to her first child when she was seventeen or eighteen, depending on whether or not John M. Crye was born in 1832 before or after her birthday.  Having already left her childhood home in NC when her parents, Joseph and Anna Crye, moved to IN, she lived with husband both in Bartholomew and Howard Co.’s in IN before moving to WI sometime between 1852 and 1855 and lived there in Richland and Vernon counties.

    When Adam and Cynthia departed for WI, in all probability they left her aging parents behind.  While one of her sisters, (Elizabeth Crye Bowman) and two of her brothers (John and Jonathan M.) also migrated to WI, initially it was Cynthia and Elizabeth who lived closest to each other in Richland and Vernon Cos.  John settled in Dunn Co., and there he does not appear to have been much in contact with them, as he was never mentioned in my family’s stories about the Crye’s as I was growing up, and I just found out about that branch of the family in recent years.  Initially, Jonathan was in Eau Claire Co., WI but then came to Vernon Co, presumably after the death of his first wife.  Of her remaining siblings, it is known that Cynthia’s brother; Hugh (Hewitt) died about 1834 at an early age (approximately 22), after marrying Penelope Cook.  Of the other four, it is known that Ephriam married Sally Hall on April 28, 1831 in Dearborn Co., IN, Polly married William Irick on November 10, 1840 in Bartholomew Co., IN, Nelson married Eliza Jane Raines on May 22, 1845 in Bartholomew Co., IN (later immigrating to CA and remarrying there) and Mary married John Goss on October 14, 1849 also in Bartholomew Co., IN.  It is not known whether or not Cynthia Ann ever had any contact with her parents and siblings in IN after she went to WI with her husband and their children.

    Cynthia Ann Crye and Adam Smith had five known children (John, William Thomas, Anna, James, and Mary) between 1832 and 1855, and quite possibly had several more children in the twelve-year gap between the births of William and Anna who did not survive.  She would have been 41 when Mary was born.  It is known that William died at age 42 in 1877 and it is supposed that Mary also died young, as there is no knowledge of a marriage for her and in Cynthia Ann’s obituary it stated she was survived by two sons and a daughter, who are known to be John, James and Anna.

   Once in WI, Adam and Cynthia at one time owned 200 acres of land and from the description of their farm in the 1850 WI Census Agricultural Schedule, could be said to have been working hard and prospering.  Once in WI, their three children that are known to have achieved adulthood were never very far away.  James never married, and worked on the farm with his parents.  Anna married first Ben Smalley, who died a few years later, and then remarried George Washington Norris.  Their farm was close by, and after coming to WI, William and his family lived right next door.  Since John M. only appears by name on the 1850 IN Census, when Cynthia and Adam and their family were living next to her parents, Joseph and Anna, one can speculate as to whether or not he ever went to WI, but remained in IN.  He never appeared on any documents in WI.

    The year 1877 can be assumed to have been a difficult year for Cynthia Ann, as in April, Adam died and on August 18, six days after her birthday, her son William died of consumption at the age of 42, leaving his wife, Eliza, with four children (possibly five – it is not known when Joseph, who died when he was six, was born).  One can only speculate on how she responded to her son’s widow, Eliza, later marrying her brother, Jonathan M. Crye.

    The eleven years following her husband’s death, Cynthia Ann continued to live on her farm with her son, James, until her death in 1898, making provision along the way for the ownership of the farm to be transferred to two of her children.  In turn, they agreed to “…comfortably provide for (her)…and at her death give her remains decent burial.”  It can be assumed that they did, as her eulogy stated, “…leaves two sons and one daughter and a host of friends to mourn their loss,”  and that “she was an honored member of the Christian Church at Maple Ridge where she will be greatly missed.”

    A full life – eighty-four years, three months and twenty-six days.  A life lived in three states with travel between them probably accomplished by oxen-pulled wagon.  A life filled with separations and leave takings from grandparents, parents, and siblings.  A life filled with times of grief at the loss of children and life partner.  A life of work on the land – land that she took pride in and loved and left to her children.

    As a child, I only knew Cynthia Ann Crye Smith as a name – now she seems very real to me.  She must have had an abundance of courage and faith to carry her over the rough spots in her life – the separations, the leave-takings, the losses.  There is no question that she knew the meaning of hard work.  No one that has ever had anything to do with making your living on a farm could question that.  While I have learned so very much about her life, I would give so very much to know more about her as a person – what she thought about, what she did.  Did she perhaps have time to do handwork (something that I love to do), what kinds of things did she cook, what sorts of things made her laugh, did she mind not being able to read and write, did she retain the soft cadences of southern speech all her life?  In all probability, I will never know these things and will still always want to know.  I can only believe that her life was not all hard work, but had love and happiness in it, too, as well as times of frivolity and fun.  It would probably be a big surprise to her to know that, years after the fact, one of her descendants would be writing about her life – I can only hope that it would be a pleasant surprise.
Irene D. Morgan - Lorton, VA - January 2000

NOTE:  The above excerpt is from a larger, fully documented narrative that represents the concentrated effort of four years of research in five states and the Isle of Man.  While I am happy to share this information with other Crye family members through the Crye Family Newsletter, I would appreciate your courtesy in recognizing and acknowledging the source of this material should you be able to make use of it.  In particular, this relates to its use in printed form and I prefer that none of this information be submitted to the Internet without my express knowledge and permission as this material will be included in a book at some time in the future and subject to copyright restrictions.  I thank you for your courtesy and professionalism in complying with this request.  Should anyone wish to have the research citations for any of the data included, please contact the author.  Also, this is a work in process, and any and all additions and/or corrections would be welcomed and appreciated.  My email address is:  irene369@erols.com



Continued from the Dec 1999 issue

 
Mintmaster One who issued local currency
Monger  Seller of goods (ale, fish)
Muleskinner Teamster
     
Neatherder Herds cows
     
Ordinary Keeper Innkeeper with fixed prices
    
Pattern Maker A maker of a clog shod with an iron ring. A clog was a wooden pole with a pattern cut into the end
Peregrinator  Itinerant wanderer
Peruker A wig maker
Pettifogger A shyster lawyer
Pigman Crockery dealer
Plumber One who applied sheet lead for roofing and set lead frames for plain or stained glass windows.
Porter Door keeper
Puddler Wrought iron worker
    
Quarrier Quarry worker
   
Rigger Hoist tackle worker
Ripper  Seller of fish
Roper Maker of rope or nets
    
Saddler One who makes, repairs or sells saddles or other furnishings for horses
Sawbones  Physician
Sawyer One who saws; carpenter
Schumacker Shoemaker
Scribler  A minor or worthless author
Scrivener Professional or public copyist or writer; notary public
Scrutiner  Election judge
Shrieve Sheriff
Slater  Roofer
Slopseller  Seller of ready-made clothes in a slop shop
Snobscat / Snob  One who repaired shoes
Sorter Tailor
Spinster  A woman who spins or an unmarried woman
Spurrer  Maker of spurs
Squire  Country gentleman; farm owner; justice of peace
Stuff  gown Junior barrister
Stuff gownsman  Junior barrister
Supercargo  Officer on merchant ship who is in charge of cargo and the commercial concerns of the ship.
    
Tanner One who tans (cures) animal hides into leather
Tapley  One who puts the tap in an ale cask
Tasker Reaper
Teamster  One who drives a team for hauling
Thatcher  Roofer
Tide waiter  Customs inspector
Tinker An itinerant tin pot and pan seller and repairman
Tipstaff  Policeman
Travers  Toll bridge collection
Tucker  Cleaner of cloth goods
Turner A person who turns wood on a lathe into spindles

Our Ancestors
and Why They Might Have Come To America

      An explanation of the differences between the Scots and the Scots-Irish immigrants might be helpful as they both were present in Mecklenburg Co. in the 18th century.  The Scots came from Scotland directly to America.  They were normally from the highlands of Scotland and they had strong allegiance to the Crown.  During the Revolutionary War, they tended to be Loyalists.

     The Scots-Irish were originally from the lowlands (Southern part) of Scotland.  They lived in sparse conditions and long endured border skirmishes.  In 1603, King James began the Plantation of Ulster in Northern Ireland.  He intended to send people from the Scottish lowlands to Northern Ireland to settle there and helps to control the Irish who were troublesome and Catholic.  The Scots were protestant.  The plantation was successful for 100 years but from about 1725 to the late 1700's' things deteriorated in Ireland so that these Scots-Irish or Ulstermen again left for new shores, this time in America.  Some 250,000 came during this great wave of immigration from Ireland and most arrived in ports near Philadelphia.  They came into Pennsylvania and later moved on.  Some moved west and stayed in the Northern US.  The Mecklenburg group came down the great Wagon Road through Virginia and into NC

     The Scots-Irish were fiercely independent and were among the strongest fighters for independence from England.  They supported a strong Protestant church and valued education.  They were not afraid of new territories and were in the lead as settlers pushed West into new territories as America expanded.




 
    James G. Leyburn has written a wonderful book:  The Scotch-Irish, a Social History.  Anyone who is researching ancestors with these connections will enjoy this book immensely and will learn a wealth of good information about his ancestors.    Constance (copied from the internet)

    There are several parts to the following article and it will be continued in April/May/June issue 2000

I. Motivations of original colonial ancestors

A. THE ENGLISH

1. Social and economic dislocation, caused in part by pressure on feudal system by inflation
    resulting from vast amount of new gold and silver introduced through Spain.
2. Political rivalry between a recently strengthen England and Spain.
3. Richard Hakluyt's "Discourse of Western Planting" provides an intellectual rationale for
    colonizing both in Ireland and the New World.
4. Religious upheaval in England encourages various groups to leave.
5. The success of Francis Drake leads Englishmen to perceive of the New World as a land
    of instant riches, thus serving as a catalyst for colonization.
6. Development of joint stock companies provides economic base for colonization (think the
    Jamestown-Virginia Stock Co, Pocahontas timeframe).
7. Failure of the Spanish Armada gives English greater confidence.

B. THE NON-ENGLISH

1. Blacks introduced, first as indentured servants, then as slaves, after 1619.
2. Dutch and Swedes are incorporated, as New York and New Jersey become English
    colonies.
3. Huguenots (French Protestants) permitted by English to settle after forced to leave
    France.
4. Lowland Scots settle in northern Ireland, then shortly after 1700 come in large numbers
    to the English colonies, settling on the frontier and becoming known as the "Scotch-
    Irish."
5. Germans, largely from the Panatinate, settle on the frontier at same time as the "Scotch-
    Irish" and become known as the "Pennsylvania Dutch."
6. After 1750, significant numbers of Highland Scots are permitted to leave Scotland to
    settle in the English colonies, with the promise they will never fight against the
    (English) Crown.



MILITARY INFORMATION
WWI Civilian Draft Registrations
Name: Charles Alexander Crye
Birth Date: Dec 22, 1883
Birth Place: 
Ethnicity: White
Name: John Rofus Crye
Birth Date: November 3, 1888
Birth Place: Conway, Ark
Ethnicity: White
Name: Leon Crye
Birth Date: May 14, 1890
Birth Place: Joll, WI
Ethnicity: White
Civil War
Winn Parish LA, Company 5407, CCC, Camp La F-6, Winnfield, LA
Photo:  John D. Crye
The will of James J. Crye:  April 12, 1862, August 4, 1862

     In a book of early GA court records, I found a Last Will & Testament of James J. Crye dated 4/12/1862 in Marion Co., GA.

     Having volunteered to go into the Confederate Army and knowing the certainty of life and the certainty of death…property to be kept together by my Executrix in common for benefit of wife and children until youngest child arrives at lawful age and then to be equally divided between wife and children.  If wife married during the minority of my children then a division is to take place.  Wife Frances Crye named Executrix.  Wit:  George W. McDuffie T. (?) M. Posey, John Hanks.
Page 99; Vol 5; Page 216;  at Cairo, GA Library

SPECIAL NOTE:  Co. C. 9th Batt’n GA Artillery, Confederated enlisted at Columbus, GA for 3 years, born in NC, height 5’6, black hair, black eyes, dark complexion, farmer, weight 135 pounds.  Enlisted April 1862, died May 21, 1862.  Index to GA pensioners’ states, his widow is Francis Spinks of Marion Co. Ga.  Info on John James Crye is from ancient family Bible, Henry Crye Sr. in GA.


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WILLIAM CRYE & SARAH HAGINS

     In the first newsletter I began a family-by-family listing of William Crye & Sarah Hagins children.  In the second newsletter I listed their fifth son James & Anna Crye’s family line.  Today, I would like to look at William & Sarah’s first child Calron Crye.
From the pension papers we learn that he was born August 27, 1780.  In 1790 William is found in the Salsbury district of Mecklinburg Co., NC and the following household.
1790  Salsbury dist Mecklinburg Co. NC
 1 free white male age 16 and up (Himself)
 3 free white males age 16 and under (Calron, William, Hugh, Harry, Joseph)
 2 free white females   (Sarah a dau, and Wife)


   By 1800 when we find William and Sarah in Burke Co. NC, William’s household is listed with the following:

1800  Burke Co. NC  20201-30110
 2 males under 16  (James & David)
 2 males 16-18  (Calron, William, Hugh, Harry, Joseph?)
 1 male 26-45  (William)
 3 females under 16  (Mary, Isabell,)
 1 female 16-18  (dau Sarah)
 1 female 16-26  (wife)
   Other than the listing in the Revolutionary War pension papers, no one has any records on Calron.

    In 1810 William Crye is still in Burke Co. NC, but according to the census, Calron is out of the household.  He could have married, or moved, died, or decided to go by another name, however, speculation is that he died.  He would have been 30 in 1810 but no records of him have ever been found.

1810 Burke Co. NC  41111  2101
 4 males 10 & under  (Johnathan)
 1 male 10 to 16
 1 male 16-26   (David or James)
 1 male 26-45   (son William)
 1 male 45 and over  (William)
 2 females 10 and under  (Isabell & Mary)
 1 female 10-16   (Sarah)
 1 female 26-45   (wife)
    The second child in this family is William Crye, Jr., who married Elizabeth Barker, August 12, 1822 in Haywood Co. NC.  In 1820 we cannot find any mention of William Crye in GA, TN, NC, or SC.  However, since the wedding took place in 1822, I suspect that they were simply missed in the 1820 NC census.

     By 1830 William And Elizabeth Barker Crye had moved to Hall Co. GA and two of their children have been born.  Sarah, born June 4, 1823 according to family records, and Margaret, born July 11, 1825.  After they arrived in GA three additional children were born, Mary “Polly”, born about 1830; James, born about 1831; and Joseph B., born about 1835.  We cannot find this family in the 1840 censuses however we do locate them in 1850 and 1860 in McMinn Co. TN.

     In McMinn Co. TN, in 1856 the oldest child, Sarah, married Robert Brantley Ritchie/Richie who was born about 1831.  Sarah is listed in family records as being born in NC.  She and Robert had two children, Frances born about 1857 and Joseph Robert Brantley born June 1, 1859.  In just a few short years Sarah suffered the loss of two brothers and her husband as Robert B. died on November 4, 1862 in Loudon, Loudon Co. TN.  Speculation is her husband died from injuries sustained during the Civil War.  Almost two years to the day on November 3, 1864 Sarah married a second time to Thomas Perry.  Sarah and Thomas are found in the 1880 Polk Co. TN census listing Thomas as 52; Sarah 57; Francis 22; Joseph 19 and Elizabeth Cry (mother-in-law) 90, widow.

     William Crye, Jr. must have died between 1860 and 1870 as no records can be found in Tennessee that matches the criteria for William and Elizabeth Cry, Jr.  As mentioned above by 1880 his widow is living with her oldest daughter in Polk, Co. TN.

     The second daughter, Mary “Polly” Crye married Silas H. Ritchie in McMinn Co. TN in 1850 and had the following children:  Elizabeth, born 1852; Margret Catherine born 1854; James C. born 1859; and Nannie Josephine born 1867.  I was not able to locate this family in the 1860 but 1870 and 1880 records are available that place them again in McMinn Co. TN.

     In the 1870 census listings, an additional family is listed as living with Mary and Silas Ritchie, Nancy Crye age 28 and her son, John William age 8.  This is the wife of James, William and Elizabeth’s fourth child.  James enlisted in Athens, TN on May 1862 for 3 years, Co I, Regt 53rd TN.  He was captured at Big Black on May 18, 1863 and taken to Delaware, where he died in the hospital at Ft. Delaware.  James is buried in Finn’s Point, Salem NJ far away from family & home.

     William & Elizabeth’s third child, Margret S. Crye married William Ritchie in 1854, McMinn Co. TN but was not listed in the 1860 or 1870 census for TN.  In 1880 they are once again located in McMinn Co. TN with no children listed.

     Since all three Ritchie/Richie families are not located in 1860, but sporadically in 1870, it is possible that they had moved to Georgia or somewhere else and did come back.  There is a possible additional connection with the Crye and Ritchie families.  David Crye is located in 1830 in Georgia and seems to move simultaneously with the Ritchie/Rich family.  Also, in the Ritch/Ritchie family they name one of their children Hardy Crye that tends to lend credence that they were connected prior to these families marrying.  Of these three boys, Silas, William and Robert Ritchie, they do not appear to be brothers, however further investigation might show distant relationships.


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Letters

Dear Anita,
   My name is Linda Crye and my ancestor is David Cry.  He was born in Ireland in 1831, and died in New York in 1908.  His obituary says that he came from Ireland at a very early age and went out west to Illinois.  He enlisted in Company D of the 105th Illinois Volunteer Infantry and served throughout the Civil War.  His home was listed as Napierville, Illinois.
    Another ancestor was Thomas Crye, nephew to David, born in Ireland around 1858-1860, married to Elizabeth Hanna, in 1886.  From the 1900 Census, I learned that Thomas came to the United States in 1875.  Thomas died in 1926 in Avon, New York.  From his death certificate I have learned that his father was John Cry and his mother was Nancy McGowan.  Both are listed as born in Ireland.
    There are several other Cry/Crye's listed in Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio.  I found a Susan Cry, born in Ireland, in the 1860 census, in Geneseo, NY, Livingston County.  I believe she is related to David Cry.  She married Caleb Fridd.
    Do you have and information to share on these people?  I would be happy to correspond with you.
 Thanks,

Dear Linda:  It is exciting to hear from you.  I haven’t found the connection with your set of Crye’s and ours, although I do believe there is a common ground somewhere.  I have a Thomas Crye in NC, living with a Hannah family and then Thomas shows up in NY, so I think they are connected, but I haven’t put it together yet.  Please keep me informed if you locate anything, as I will keep you informed of what all I find.
Anita


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     Hello, my mother is trying to become a member of the Daughters of the American Revolution, and she needs some information on a John Crye who was born in 1806 in Mecklenburg Co. North Carolina.  He was the son of Joseph and Anna Crye.  If you have or know of someone that has some information proving that Joseph is the father or John's will or any deeds that their names are on, or even a copy of death records would be helpful.  You can email me at mstorlie@isd.net

    In this newsletter there is quite an extensive article on that branch of the family.  Possibly there is something, which will lead you to the information you seek.  I do not have anything in my possession, which would help in this matter however, contact Irene Morgan; she might have what you need.  Thank you so much for your inquiry.
irene369@erols.com