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 VOL 4

April 2000

    Hello again from South Eastern Tennessee.  I am so much enjoying gathering information for you to use and help place your family lines together.  I am making plans to change jobs, which will enable me to focus more on research.  I havenít been able to get to our local library in some time because of my work schedule, but with this new change, well, I am hoping to find more information to share with each of you.  The Internet has been a salvation for my late hours, but I am hungry to open books and site sources of my own findings.

    This year will see my 27th year wedding anniversary and my 18th year as a genealogist.  I have learned much about families, how they traveled, and some of the ups and downs they faced.  I have seen hand written letters from the 1800ís, Bibles from the same time frame, copied works from others who have done the research and have traveled to graves that brought back memories of Wars I had only read about.  I have thought about the men who died in battle, never returning home, or saying good by for the final time, knowing that it was a good chance they would never be in the arms of mother, father, wife, or children.  How they sacrificed to give us freedom, the opportunity to take new ground, the availability to travel, seek uncharted territories, and begin life fresh.

    I have found family members who started out on journeys and didnít make it to their goal.  Their bodies placed in graves in towns and in abandoned cemeteries for no one to remember, visit, or mark their spot on this earth.  Each of these family members was a motherís son/daughter, a fatherís child, a husband or a wife.  Each person who set out on his own to fulfill that longing in his heart to see what was beyond that ridge, to make a mark for himself, to chart new land, well, they have marked me.

    When my family goes through my papers, I want them to know that I cared for, harvested, treasured, and shared the past.  I wonít let my children forget about their ancestors, about those who sacrificed all to come to a new land for opportunity.  We must not let the past die with us, no matter how we view it.  Most people did their best in the situations they were in.  They hold our past, and future.  Please donít forget to share with your children how they sacrificed.  As long as someone remembers, you will not be gone.

Continued from the last issue

Victualer A tavern keeper, or one who provides an army, navy or ship with food
Vulcan Blacksmith
Wagoner Teamster not for hire
Wainwright  Wagon maker
Waiter  Customs officer or tide waiter one who waited on the tide to collect duty on goods brought in.
Waterman  Boatman who plies for hire
Webster Operator of looms
Wharfinger Owner of a wharf
Wheelwright One who made or repaired wheels; wheeled carriages, etc.
Whitesmith  Tinsmith worker of iron who finishes or polishes the work
Whitewing  Street sweeper
Whitster Bleach of cloth
Wright  Workman, especially a construction worker
Yeoman  Farmer who owns his own land


     William and Sarah Hagins Cryeís second child, William Crye, Jr married Elizabeth Barker in 1822, Haywood Co. NC. as listed in the last issue.  Elizabeth Barkerís ancestry has been a little more difficult to establish in my research.  As this is not a direct line of mine, I havenít spent a great deal tracing this out, but have found some information for those who are descendants.

     Information about neighbors of our ancestors have shown intermarrying, friends, distant family members who settled together and such, so no genealogy is to be discarded because it doesnít deal strictly with our family name.

Descendants of William Barker
Generation No. 2
Shadrack Barker (William) was born Abt. 1770 in Buckhorn Creek, Wake Co., NC, and died 1799 in Wake Co., NC.  He married Naomi Unknown.

Notes for Shadrack Barker:
This ancestor must be verified. It is assumed he is the rightful ancestor.

   Wake Co. was formed in 1771 from Orange, Cumberland and Johnston Counties, NC.  From land deeds and court records, Dianne Spitzer, determined that Shadrack's land was mostly on the White Oak Creek that is near the southwest border of Wake Co., and was located in Orange Co., NC, in 1770.  She found a few Orange Co. records at the library there and was able to determine that the Barker family was indeed there.  Jack Cole's guess is that Shadrack's father was William, who had the joining land.  Brian has said his research shows that William was the father of Shadrack.

    Brian Aldridge had his death date as 1792.  His estate records, per Dianne Spitzer, began on April 13,1799,  Shadrack's estate was published. His children were listed as Edmund, Rebecca, Thomas, Edith, Sally, Polly, Milly and Warren. Neomi (Naomi) is sometimes called Omy and Omie.  On 5/6/1800, there was an estate sale.  In Aug. 1803, there was an estate accounting.  In 1805, there was a division of land.  There were 824 acres divided among: Thomas Barker, Solomon Segraves in right of his wife Sally; Edmund Barker, Warner (Warren) Barker; Polly Barker; Mylah Barker; Edith Barker; and Anthony Pilkington in right of his wife Rebecca.  On Aug. 1806, there was an audit.  Anthony Pilkington, dec'd (deceased) received an advancement from the estate.  Neomi as administrator paid for schooling and subsistence for Sally, Polly, Milly and Warren.  These records don't show an Elizabeth (who married William Crye).

   Someone placed a file with LDS Library that there was a Shadrack Barker born in 1766 in Wake Co., NC had a daughter Edith Barker who was born in 1792 in Wake Co., NC.  This Edith died 2/20/1860.  She married Augustine Jones b. 2/1/1781 in Wake Co., NC and died 3/20/1861.  Their children were Alvin Jones, Elizabeth Ann Jones, Etheldred Benton Jones, Jefferson John Quincy Jones, and Rebecca Jones.

Children of Shadrack Barker and Naomi Unknown are:
i. Alice Mila "Milly"3 Barker, born Abt. 1795 in Wake Co., NC.
ii. Elizabeth Barker.  She married William Crye August 10, 1822.
Notes for Elizabeth Barker:
    Addition of and information of Elizabeth, daughter of Shadrack, came from
    Diane Jenkins Spitzer. When Elizabeth was married on 8/10/1822 per the
    Marriage Bonds of Haywood and Jackson Counties, NC, compiled by
    James E. and Vivan Wooley, Elizabeth is listed as the daughter of "Shedrick".
    Her marriage was witnessed by Edmond Barker and performed by John B. Love.
    While Elizabeth is not listed in the Will of Shadrack and division of property,
    it is assumed she is his daughter.
iii. Rebecca Barker.  She married Anthony Pilkington bef. December 1805.
iv. Sally Barker.  She married Solomon Seagraves.
v. Thomas Barker.
Notes for Thomas Barker:
    The name of Thomas Barker appears on the first pages of the 1810
    Haywood Co., NC, federal census at household #58 and the microfilm
    copy is of such poor quality that not much more is discernible. (Dianne Spitzer)
    We are unsure if these are the sons of Edmond (Edmund) or Thomas.
    They are listed under both parents.
vi. Edmund Barker, born 1770 in Wake Co., NC; died November
        1850 in Macon County, NC.
vii. Edith (Eadie) Barker, born abt. 1785 in Wake Co., NC; died abt.
        1855 in Haywood Co. (Waynesville, NC).
viii. Mary (Polly) Barker, born Abt. 1790. She married John Seagraves
        April 21, 1810 in Wake Co., NC.
Notes for Mary (Polly) Barker:
    Mary was referred to as Polly and Dolly.
ix. Warren "Shadrack" Barker, born 1792; died 1895 (Age 103)
     Now, this was copied from the Internet and I havenít validated this data, but for those who descend from William and Elizabeth Barker Crye, Jr, it is information worth looking into.

     William and Elizabeth Barker Cryeís son James, married Nancy Kimbro and they had a son John William born October 18, 1862 and died November 16, 1909.  John Married Mary Unknown who was born Feb. 17, 1866 and died March 21, 1911.  Both John W. and Mary are buried in the Cedar Springs Cemt in McMinn Co. TN.  Death Certificates state that John William died of heart trouble and his wife of Pellagra & TB.

      In the removal of the Indians to Oklahoma Territory there were many promises of land to those who could prove their Indian heritage.  This reference found in the Cherokee Blood Indian Roll Application book lists:

12166.  JOHN W. CRYE, Athens, TN, Rejected.  No ancestors ever enrolled.  No ancestors party to treaties of 1835-1846.  Shows no connection with Eastern Cherokees.  MISC. TEST P.710.  #12166 Ė John W. Cry:  ďThat I am 46 years of age and live in McMinn Co., TN.  I claim my Indian descent though my father (James Crye) and his father (William Crye, Jr.).  My father (James Crye) was born and raised in Cherokee Co, NC., I think.  He went from NC to GA somewhere between the Mexican and Civil Wars.  I think he went to Red Clay, GA, and then he came to TN.  My grandfather (William Crye Jr.) was born and raised in Cherokee Co, NC.  My grandfather (William Crye, Jr) left NC between the two wars.  I donít know whether my father (James) lived with the Indians as a member of the tribe.  My grandfather (William Jr.) lived amongst the Indians but I donít know whether he was a member of the tribe.  Neither my father nor grandfather were on any roll, nor were any of my ancestors that I know of.  My grandfather  (William Crye, Jr) sometimes went by the name of Croye.  I donít know where my father was in 1835.  My grandfather (William Jr) claimed ½ Cherokee.  I am recognized as a white person.  My wife is a white woman.  James Ritchie (son of James Bentley Ritchie and Sarah Crye) who has filed application #19729 is a cousin of mine and claims through William Cry too.  That is the only source he claims through.  SIGNED:  John W. Cry, Athens, TN  June 27, 1908.  EXCEPTION CASE.  Rejected.  Total number of exceptions filed in this group Ė 1.  Original recommendation renewed.

     Now, we have no other information that places William Jr., or James as Indian.  So, this could have been just a grandson with hearsay.  We have no evidence, other than looks, that persuade us into this heritage of Indian blood.

     According to any records I have, John William and Mary didnít have children.  However, that is not law and rule as no one has submitted any family for these childred.

     The next two children of William and Sarah Hagins Crye are Hugh born November 5, 1784 and Mary born December 8, 1786.  Most children are out of the household by the age of 20-25, and we have no records of Hugh.  By the 1810 Census there should have been some record of his household, but nothing has been located.  In no census record do I have a listing for a Hugh Crye.  There are some females, a Judy and a Sarah that could have been his wife, but there hasnít been any location of a marriage or any record.

     The next child is Mary, born December 8, 1786.  Now, there is evidence that this Mary did marry in NC and there would be a whole line of her own, but nothing has been submitted or proven.  What I have located are bastardy bonds in Burke Co. NC.

Mary Crye, July 27, 1821, bondsman Elisha Anderson, Elrod Poteet, Abram Deal.

Mary Crye April 14, 1821 bastardy bonds, bondsman Elisha Anderson, James Lovin, and David Thompson.

Izbell Crye, July 27, 1821 bondsman John Lowery, Christian Bottles, and Aaron B. Hawkins.

     Now, what I have been told is, usually one of the men mentioned on the bond is the father of the child.  I havenít any proof, nor have I found a family that matches any of this, however, Mary and Izbell did have children while in Burke Co. NC and apparently they were not married.

   Mary would have been about 35 and Izbell about 25.  Maybe these two girls listed are not the daughters of William and Sarah.  We have found several Cryeís in Union Co. NC that do not match the family line.  It is possible that these girls were daughters of Williamís brotherís children.  There is no evidence or proof, so we may never know.  What we do know is that William and Sarah did not bring Mary and Izbell with them when they came into TN.  It is possible they stayed in NC or in GA during one of their moves.  Nothing is listed in any family record that I have been given.  There is a Mary in Union Co. who marries Samuel Walkup, but she was born about 1815 according to records.  Her connection to the family has not been made at this time.  To be continued


     John Crye has been located in the 1820, Monroe Co. MS census.  I havenít access to this record but this might enlighten us to where the MS, LA, and GA Cryeís are coming from.
     In the first and second issues of this newsletter, back in 1997/1998, I listed census records for 1790; 1800; 1810; 1820; and 1830.  In these records we find the following:
1790  NC  Crye, James  03-00-02-00-00
Crye, John  03-01-02-00-00
Crye, William  01-03-02-00-00
1790 PA  Crye, John
1790 ME Cry, Ebenezer  02-02-02-00-00
1790 NY Cry, John  01-00-02-00-00
1880 NC  William Crye
David Crye
John Crye
John Crye
Samuel Crye
1810 NC David Crye
John Crye
William Crye
1820 NC  David Crye 
John Crye 
David Crye
1820  IL Susanna Cry
1820  VA Judy Cry
1830 NC David Crye
David Crye
Mary Crye
1830 GA  William Crye
1840 NC David Crye
John Crye
William Crye
1850 NC James Crye 
1850 GA David Crye
Thomas Crye 
James Crye
William Crye
1860 NC Nancy Crye
Samuel Crye
Thomas Crye
   I think as we put these families in some order we might find a better tracking of our direct lines, thus ďconnecting the dotsĒ for a complete family history.
   John Crye born December 19, 1686 in Jurby, Isle of Man, and died March 04, 1734/35 in Jurby, Isle of Man.  He married Catherine Brew August 14, 1725 in Isle of Man.

 Child of John Crye and Catherine Brew is:

i. John Crye, b. May 26, 1727, Jurby, Isle of Man; d. January 27, 1794, Mecklenburg Co., North Carolina.

   John Crye born May 26, 1727 in Jurby, Isle of Man, and died January 27, 1794 in Mecklenburg Co., North Carolina.  He married Catherine Margaret Shimmin April 22, 1751 in Kirk German, Isle of Man.

 Children of John Crye and Catherine Shimmin are:

i. William Crye, b. December 02, 1753, Jurby, Isle of Man; d. August 30, 1835,
     McMinn Co., Tennessee.
ii. Sarah Crye, b. 1757, Jurby, Isle of Man; d. September 11, 1798, Walkersville,
     Union County, North Carolina.
iii. Catherine Crye, b. 1759, ChesterCo., Pennsylvania; m. Joshua Gordon.
iv. Margaret Crye, b. 1761, Chester, Pennsylvania; m. Thomas Walker.
v. James Crye, b. 1764, Chester, Pennsylvania.
vi. David Crye, b. 1770, Chester, Pennsylvania; d. 1797, Mecklenburg Co., NC;
     m. Jean Eliott, January 12, 1797, Mecklenburg County, North Carolina.
vii. John Alexander Crye, b. March 23, 1772, Chester, Pennsylvania; d. January
     20, 1859, Blount County, Tennessee.
viii. Isabella Crye, b. 1774, Chester, Pennsylvania; m. William Craig, 1794,
     Mecklenburg County, North Carolina.

Research Tip: Banns vs. Licenses
     It is now a common practice in many countries to first buy a marriage license, and then have the marriage ceremony.  In some cases the purchase of a marriage license is even considered a marriage itself (often called a "civil" marriage), with the subsequent ceremony in a church being referred to as the "church" marriage.

     While that's common practice today, it wasn't always so.  For example, just short centuries ago in Britain and other nations it was common for a young couple to get married without purchasing a (relatively expensive) license.  This procedure involved the reading of banns, essentially a public proclamation of the upcoming marriage in church on three successive Sundays.

     Those who married this way would have the notation "by banns", or simply "banns" appended to the record of their marriage in the parish register.  Those couples who had purchased a license would have a corresponding notation, "by license", as part of their marriage entry.

     While there is certainly no stigma attached to having one's ancestors married by banns (it was by far the most common way), having access to a marriage license can be a great help.  The registers of marriage licenses were often kept in the diocesan office, and most of the ones for Britain are available on microfilm through the Family History Library and its Family History Centers.  (See the online catalog at FamilySearch).  These licenses can provide extra details often missing from the sketchy Anglican registers, and they can point you to other records that can help you in your search.
I received this from another list and thought I'd pass it along; maybe it will be of some help.

Male & Female Nicknames (Source Unknown)
Nickname Christian Name(s)

Bell, Bella, Belle  Arabelle, Anabelle, Isabel, Isabella, Rosabel
Bess, Bessie Elizabeth
Beth Elizabeth
Betsy, Betty Elizabeth
Bitsy Elizabeth
Bob, Bobby Robert
Cindy Cinthia, Cynthia, Lucinda
Daisy Margaret
Delia Adelia, Adele, Cordelia
Dick Richard
Dobbin Robert
Dode, Dody Dorothy, Theodore, Theodorick
Dora Dorothy, Eudora, Theodora

To Be Continued



A.  Rather static habits of most settlers in the English colonies throughout the Colonial Era.
1.  Most colonists rarely moved more than 20 miles in their lifetime, except for Scotch-Irish who moved often.
2.  New England religious and social attitudes discouraged much movement, often required considerable preparation before moves were sanctioned.
3.  Southern settlers who came from England found themselves oriented toward England economically, socially and politically, and by 1776 more than 85% were still within thirty miles of the Atlantic coast.
4.  "Pennsylvania Dutch" though settling most of the frontier from NY South, rarely moved after selecting a permanent home.
B.   Surge of interest in the West leads to settlement in Tennessee, Kentucky, and the Ohio Valley after 1750.
1.  Exploration shows great desirability of these areas.
2.  Establishment of military roads such as Forbes Road and Braddocks Road opens the Ohio Valley during the French and Indian War, after 1754.
3.  Development of Cumberland Gap and the Wilderness Road open Kentucky.
4.  Utilization of the Indian trails of the Great Valley of the Appalachians brings settlers from Virginia and Maryland to Tennessee, while North Carolinians use the river valleys of the Holston, Nolichucky and French Broad to the same part of eastern Tennessee.
C.   Revolutionary War encourages western settlement.
1.  Removal of Indians from desired land often justified as part of war effort.
2.  British policy, which often discouraged settlement west of Appalachians no longer operative.
3.  Individual states, especially Virginia and North Carolina, encourage settlement to solidify their claims before 1778.
4.  Land speculation rampant.
5.  Western land utilized for land bounties given to Revolutionary War soldiers.
6.  Treaty of Paris of 1783 ending the Revolutionary War almost doubles the area claimed by the U.S. when Britain agrees to a Mississippi River boundary.
D.  Western Movement escalates during the early national period.
1.  Legislation such as the Northwest Ordinances of 1784 (deciding that the West will be admitted as  states equal to the original 13 colonies), 1785 (providing for the surveying and orderly sale of  western land) and 1787 (providing specific steps for establishment of territories, then states)  encourages settlement.
2.  Challenges to U.S. claims to land north and west of Ohio River by Britain, and in the far south by Spain leads to heightened American interest in Ohio and the "Yazoo Strip."
3.  The clearing of Indian and British claims to the Ohio Country by the Treaty of Ft. Greenville and Jay's Treaty in 1795 and Pinckney's Treaty, in which Spain not only recognizes the American interpretation of the Yazoo controversy, but guarantees Americans the right to navigate the entire
 Mississippi River erased many of the impediments to settlement in these areas.
4.  Eli Whitney's invention of the cotton gin 1793, making the growing of upland cotton commercially feasible at a time when European technological development has led to a major demand for a new source of fibers, greatly affects the nature and level of western settlement.
To be continued in the next issue


Index to Supplemental Record Marriage Applications St Joseph County 1882-1920 Volume III Letters S-Z , Page 184

Yoder, Daniel J. born to Yoder, Daniel J. and Jane Crye Male, White born June.10 1886
Yoder, Andrew  born to Napoleon Dan and Ida Crye, Male, White, born May.22 1882

Henry County, Indiana Index to Marriage Records E-K Book 1 Vol 2 1850-1920 , Page 151
Holder, David m/ Christena V Cry Nov 4 1857 CC2 123

Index To Marriage Records Jay Co. 1850-1920 Inclusive Volume I Letters A-L Inclusive 1 of 2  This is Volume I of the index to marriage records for Jay County, IN from 1850-1920.
Cry, Alice m/ William H Lanning W Aprl 16 1883 C-F 388

Index to Marriage Records St Joseph County IN 1860-1920 Volume IV 1 of 2
Rose Minta H. m/ Cry, O. Replogle on Mar. 22 1911; 24 7

Mississippi Marriages From 1829 to 1900, Surnames
Ketchings, Warren marr. CRY, Mattie  04/01/1896
Riley, Henry marr. CRY, Hattie  04/02/1896

Index to Marriage Record Madison County 1880-1920 IN
Cry Martha m/ Frederick Lowrey-Feb 10 1884

Miami County, Indiana Index to Marriage Records A-E Volume 1 1850-1920
Cry Hugh m/ Elizabeth Allen Sep 2 1858
Cry, Vera H. m/ Jas.Edward Starkey Age 20 Sep 25 1907

This book contains a quarterly Georgia genealogical magazine.

Baldwin County was formed from the Creek cessions of June 16, 1802 and Nov. 14, 1805.  Land was distributed through the Lotteries of 1805 and 1807.  The county seat is Milledgeville, Ga. Territory was added to Baldwin County from Hancock County 1807; from Washington County 1807, 1812, 1826; from Wilkinson County 1807 and 1872.  A part of Baldwin County was set off to Jones County 1807; to Morgan County 1807; to Putnam County 1807 and part to Randolph (now Jasper Co) 1807.  Wills continued from December 1967 issue.

They Were Here vol 4;  Page 142
Cry, James Mary Ann Hawkins 9/27/1839


    Last year while we were having our family reunion at the Williamson Chapel Methodist Church in Maryville, another reunion was being held in Mt. Calm TX.  Here is part of that family line.  The goal is to connect us all together, and maybe I can count this one connected.

James Monroe Crye, 1845-1941 m/ Mary Lee Pierce/Pearce b1849-1941

John Pierce Crye b 9/10/1881 d 01/18/1963 TX


Josephene Hobbs b03/14/1886 d 05/21/1941 TX
(dau of John L. Hobbs 1858-1917 and Nancy D. ???  1862-1934)

James Monroe Crye and Mary Lee Pierce/Pearce had eight children:

Hazel Crye born ??/??/??  died 02/08/1985
Taylor Harrison Crye born 06/18/1905 d 10/09/1971
Lottie Mae Crye born 10/29/1910 died 03/30/1991
Johnnie Claudine Crye born 09/11/1912 died 11/12/1997
Vadie Lurline Crye born 06/17/1916 died 07/06/1995
Queenie Bell Crye, born 03/11/1918 died 08/01/1998
Ly Curgas Crye born 02/15/1920
Mabel Estelle Crye born 10/01/1922

     Now, I believe James Monroe Crye is the son of Jonathan and Edith Pearce/Pierce/Ayers Crye.  However, I have James Monroe Crye born in 1854 (instead of 1845) in Tennessee.  He is located in the census for 1880 Bradley Co. TN  pg 4; dist 2; #47 and in 1900 Polk Co. TN  72-73.  In 1920 Bradley Co. TN  403-407, he is listed and he can read and write.  What records I have located and have been shared with give his wifeís name as Mary Lee/Lea Pierce/Pearce.  In one census record she is listed as Tinnie.  I have not found a marriage for them, but speculation is they married around 1879 in Tennessee.

I have the following children listed for them according to local records:

William Frank Crye August 1879
Anissa Crye  October 1881
Ema Crye  August 1886
Parker Crye  May 1891
Doffey Crye  April 1894
Loretta Crye  June 1897
John Crye  August 1883 (I believe this to be the line the above eight children come from)
Apparently, all born in Tennessee.


   I have a William Crye found in 1800, 1810, and I suspect 1820 Burke Co. NC.  However, I have never found any graves or any mention of them.  Do you happen to have any records of graves or any information on this family?
Thank you, Anita


Dear Anita,
   I'm very sorry but I fail to find any of these names listed in the three volumes of "Burke County Cemeteries."  One remaining volume is yet to be published.  The name(s) may or may not be in Volume 4.  If it doesn't appear there, it might be for one of the following reasons:

1.  The individuals were buried while residents of Burke County but may now be buried in land split off into new counties (Caldwell, 1841; McDowell, 1842; etc.)
2.  The years between burial and the present time may have weathered the stones to the point where they are unreadable, if there were stones erected in the first place.
3.  Burke County, being rural in nature, was populated by folks that were hard-pressed economically and sometimes didnít leave lasting markers for their family members.

     Further information might be obtained from the Burke Co. Library, which has a card file of all known burials in the county.  They have been very responsive to phone requests in the past.  The genealogist for the Burke Co. Genealogy and History room can be contacted at (828) 437-5638.

Good luck in your search.
--Derick S. Hartshorn


    I had an email last May from someone on the SE-TN roots web list who told me that there is a Dorton (someone had said it didn't exist anymore) right off of I-40, exit 322.  There is an Antioch Cemetery off Peavine Road there with a Hugh H Cry, 7 Oct 1840 - 10 Jun 1914; David R Cry, 4 Jan 1879 - 2 Nov 1907; N G (Nathaniel Garfield?) Crye (notice this one has the E on the end?) 23 Oct 1875 - 23 Mar 1923.  My mother's/cousin's information indicates that Nathaniel and Joseph Harrison were twins born in 1880, but still on Oct 23.

     The person who sent me the cemetery information also said there is a Cry Cemetery next to Victory Baptist Church.  There she found David Cry 5 Feb 1797 - 2 Aug 1861 and Elizabeth Cry 22 Dec 1811 - 15 Apr 1863.