Crye-Cry
Family Newsletter
ISSUE 2
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 VOL 5
April/May/June
agcrye@bellsouth.net 
2001

April 2001
“SPRING”

      Well, we are making plans and getting everything together for the June 23rd “Photo Reunion”.  It is very exciting to think everyone will be bringing pictures of the past that will help us identify the future.  I have been looking into additional family lines in hopes that we will find additional kinfolk that might have pictures or stories of our families.

      It has been suggested to me that we eliminate the external family lines because it can really get complicated with all those additional last names and crooks and turns, but, I have found that when daughters marry and take on their husband’s last names, that is where we find stories, family Bibles, family photos, etc.  I am in hopes that you won’t eliminate anyone from your research because they are extending too far out.  You just might find that jewel that you were looking for all along.

      As far as the reunion, I am in hopes that you are setting your calendar for this wonderful opportunity.  I am setting items aside for sharing.  I really don’t have any old photos but I do have a family Bible from 1842 for the family of Jonathan Crye, who marries Edith L. Ayers/Pierce.  This Bible has many children, including my ancestor, Joseph Henderson Crye, listed.  I am excited about sharing this with you and making copies of the hand-written entries for others to take back with you when you leave.  What are you planning to bring?

      I have been in contact with the northern branch of Crye’s and received a photo of John M. Smith, and the Lightfoot family, descendants of the Wisconsin Crye’s.  This came across internet waves, so, I will have these available.  I hope you are selecting special cards and letters and are looking through your photo albums for items to bring and include in this memorable reunion.

      Directions are simple:  from I-75 to our location.  Coming from Knoxville on I-75, take Exit 25, turn right at the bottom of the ramp, go 4.4 miles and take a right onto Ocoee Exit East.  Go 4 miles and the Pavilion is on the right.  Signs will be posted.  Coming from Chattanooga on I-75, take Exit 25 and turn left at the bottom of the ramp.  Go 4.2 miles to Ocoee Exit East.  Go 4 miles and the Pavilion is on the right.  Signs will be posted.

      I am hearing from some already booking rooms who plan to attend.  I am so excited!!  All paper products will be supplied, but please bring a covered dish so we can munch while we share.                                        Anita….
 

TERMINOLOGY

Words you might find in documents while tracing family lines

ABSTRACT - Summary of important points of a given text, especially deeds and wills.
ACRE - See measurements.
ADMINISTRATION (of estate) - The collection, management and distribution of an estate by proper legal process.
ADMINISTRATOR (of estate) - Person appointed to manage or divide the estate of a deceased person.
ADMINISTRATRIX - A female administrator.
AFFIDAVIT - A statement in writing, sworn to before proper authority.
ALIEN - Foreigner.
AMERICAN REVOLUTION - U.S. war for independence from Great Britain 1775 -1783.
ANCESTOR - A person from whom you are descended; a forefather.
ANTE - Latin prefix meaning before, such as in ante-bellum South, "The South before the war"
APPRENTICE - One who is bound by indentures or by legal agreement or by any means to serve another person for a certain time, with a view of learning an art or trade.
APPURTENANCE - That which belongs to something else such as a building, orchard, right of way, etc.
ARCHIVES - Records of a government, organization, institution; the place where records are stored.
ATTEST - To affirm; to certify by signature or oath.
BANNS - Public announcement of intended marriage.
BENEFICIARY - One who receives benefit of trust or property.
BEQUEATH - To give personal property to a person in a will.  Noun --bequest.
BOND - Written, signed, witnessed agreement requiring payment of a specified amount of money on or before a given date.
BOUNTY LAND WARRANT - A right to obtain land, specific number of acres of unallocated public land, granted for military service.

CENSUS - Official enumeration, listing or counting of citizens.
CERTIFIED COPY - A copy made and attested to by officers having charge of the original and authorized to give copies.
CHAIN - See measurements.
CHATTEL - Personal property which can include animate as well as inanimate properties.
CHRISTEN - To receive or initiate into the visible church by baptism; to name at baptism; to give a name to.
CIRCA - About, near, or approximate -- usually referring to a date.
CIVIL WAR - War between the States; war between North and South, 1861 - 65.
CODICIL - Addition to a will.
COLLATERAL ANCESTOR - Belong to the same ancestral stock but not in direct line of descent; opposed to lineal such as aunts, uncles & cousins.

 Continued in the next issue

Two Obituaries found on the Internet

Clarke Co. GA - Obits from the Athens Daily News/Banner-Herald 24 Jun 1997

Edna Louise Swilling Moon, 65, of 1355 Henry Moon Drive died Sunday, June 22, 1997.
A native of Anderson, S.C., Mrs. Moon was a daughter of the late Robert Haskell and Jenny Cry Swilling.  She was a homemaker and a charter member of Bowman Church of God.

Funeral services will be at 11 a.m. Wednesday at Hicks Funeral Home with the Revs. Leon Suttles and Lewis Shaver officiating. Burialwill be in Elmhurst Cemetery.

Survivors include her husband, Henry T. Moon; four daughters, Kathy Adams and Linda Warren, both of Dewy Rose, and Cynthia Mann and Lisa Branum, both of Greenwood, Miss.; two sons, George M. Moon Sr. and Thomas H. Moon, both of Elberton; four sisters, Vickie Pearson, Raywood, Texas, Virginia Morrison, Denver, Texas, Betty Ferguson, Dallas, Texas, and Brenda Warren, Houston; a brother, Mack Swilling, Cumming; 20 grandchildren; and three great-grandchildren.

The family is at the home of George Moon, 1365 Henry Moon Drive, and will receive friends 7-9 p.m. today at the funeral home.

Alma Morris Hammons, 1970, Winn Parish, LA.  Submitted by Greggory E. Davies, 120 Ted Price Lane, Winnfield, LA 71483
August 20, 1970 Winn Parish Enterprise News-American

Mrs. Hammons, Native of Gaars Mill, Succumbs.
Mrs. Alma Hammons, 75, of Monroe, died Friday, August 14, 1970, at Monroe Manor Nursing Home in Monroe after a long illness.
Mrs. Hammons was the widow of the late Franklin Hammons and was a longtime resident of the Gaars Mill Community.

Funeral services were held at 2 p.m. Sunday in the chapel of Southern Funeral Home of Winnfield with burial in Harmony Grove Cemetery near Winnfield.

Mrs. Hammons was a native of Jackson Parish.

Survivors includes two sons,, Edgar Hammons of Monroe and Darwin Hammons of Minneapolis, Minnesota; two brothers, Ray Morris of Georgia and Alvin Morris of Texas; three sisters, Mrs. Bessie Johnson of Chatham, Cora Cry of Bossier City, and Mrs. Era Gaulden of Hodge; seven grandchildren and five great grandchildren.

JAMES HAWKINS CRYE
and brother
WINFIELD SCOTT CRYE

 
   In the last two issues we have been finding out more about the James Hawkins Crye family located in Bradley Co. TN and GA.  In the October 2000 issue I gave what information I had found on James Crye and Eveline Melton.
     I can only share the information that I find, and what is given to me, therefore I depend heavily upon your correspondence.  The court documents that I found clarified Winfield Scott Crye’s name for me.  Finding him later in census has proven a little difficult.
     I purchased the 1880 Census for the United States sold by LDS in Utah to help me find more of our families.  In this file of 52 CD’s I did locate our Winfield Scott Crye.
     In 1860 Winfield S. (Scott) is listed in the Bradley Co. TN census with his mother Eveline Melton.  In 1870 (Winfield) Scott is listed with his mother again in Bradley Co. TN.  According the records in that county, W. S. Crye married Sarah Rowland/Rolan in August of 1870 but has never been found in the records again.

In searching the 1880 USA census I found them in Scott Co. AR., Mountain Township.

Cry,    S.W.     30      Farmer    TN
           Sireny J 24      wife         TN
           James H 6/mo son          TN
Gilbert Lorry A  6       (step dau) AR
           G. W.     4       (step son) AR


1900 Finds this family still in Scott Co. AR., Mountain Township with the following:

Croy, Winfield S. head W 56 04/1844 m/35yrs TN NC GA
         Albert J       son   W 19 03/1881 single AR TN AR
         Mabell        dau   W 15 10/1884 single AR TN AR
         Mary E.      dau   W      09/1890 single AR TN AR
         Winfield L   son   W  8  12/1891 single AR TN AR
         Dora M./N  dau  W  6   02/1894 single AR TN AR


1910 Finds this family still in Scott Co. AR., Mountain Township listed as the following:

Croy, Winfield S. hd   64 m/3 times 30 yrs      TN US US
          Serena J.   wf   54 m/2 times 30 yrs 9/5 AR CA MS
          Winfield L  son 18 single                        AR TN AR
          Dora M.    dau 15 single                        AR TN AR


     I contacted researchers in Arkansas to question information on this family.  Here is what I learned.

      Winfield Scott Croy was known well in the Mountain Township of Scott Co.

     They may have farmed a pretty good size piece of land there.  I have not found records to say they owned the land however the 1900 census lists them renting at that time.  Those who catalog and research cemeteries in that area haven’t found a marker for anyone in this family.  Upon contacting local researchers their opinion was that the area was so remote that a family would have had to send to a neighboring county for a head stone.  Cost being a factor, not only for the stone but for shipping, many people were buried without a “store bought” marker.
     People from that area still remember the family and remember that the last name was pronounced “Crye”, but spelled “Croy”.  This seems to be a mystery to them and me.  It appears that the children went by the spelling of Croy and future census and marriage records continue this spelling.  So, this is the first variation of Crye/Cry/Croy that I have found.  We will continue to question to ascertain why this came about.  Also, this will give a whole new area to search.
      It appears that Winfield Scott Crye may not have communicated frequently with his Tennessee family.  However, the information in John F. Crye’s book states he was married three times.  So there must have been some correspondence.  The records I am finding suggest three marriages (according to the 1910 census) and the last marriage to Sireney/Serina Hargrove lasted over 35 years.  We know the first was to Sarah J. Rowland/Rolan in Bradley Co. in 1870.  I have found no records of the second marriage but the child James H. Cry/Croy is 6 in 1880 and Sireny J has a daughter also 6, so she could not have been James H.’s mom.  Sarah J. Rowland is living in MO with Winfield’s half brothers, so I don’t think she was the mother of James H.  So this might be the only record of the second marriage.
      By 1880 Winfield is married to Serena Hargrove who married an unknown Gilbert prior to 1880 and had two children, as the 1880 census states:  Lorry A. and G. W. Gilbert.  G. W. married and had a child and all three died within months of each other during a flu epidemic.  None of the children of Winfield Scott and Serena remained in the area, all marrying and moving into Oklahoma and other places, which has limited my availability in locating family members.
      It was 1935 before it became mandatory to apply for a Social Security number.  As Albert and Winfield would have been 55 and 45 respectively, they probably didn’t apply for one.
      Records do show that A. J. Croy, age 19 married Matilda Posey, age 18 of Boles, AR, July 7, 1900.  Ms Posey was a neighbor in the 1900 census.  Her mother was Margaret Posey from MO.  Matilda was born in AR.

 Mabel Croy age 18 married D. M. House age 22 of Boles on Dec 11, 1901.
 Ellie Croy age 17 of Boles married Loy Sessions age 18 on June 10, 1906.

      If you can add to this family line, please contact THE CRYE/CRY FAMILY NEWS.  I could use a little help on this one.

Here are two items I found on the Scott Co. AR page.

REPUBLICAN MASS MEETING
To the Republicans of Scott County:

     We, the undersigned republicans of Scott county, hereby ask all men in the county who hold to the principles of the republican part to meet with them at the court house in Waldron on Monday, March 4, 1889, at 10 o'clock a.m., to celebrate the inauguration of a republican President of the United States and reorganize the party in the county by electing a Republican County Central Committee and transacting such other business as the meeting may deem proper.
A.G. Leming, T.P. Smith, J.A. Sewell, J.D. Dyer, T.W. Stone, T.R. Payne, J.M. Hamilton, C.D. Richardson,
S.L. Haney, John T. Wood, M.R. McGuire, Elijah Leming Jr., Miles Keener, W.H. Evatt, J.B. Mickle, A.S. Wood, E.L. Oliver, D.J. Bohnstehn, G.P. Watkins, S.K. Duncan, A.P. Bacon, W. ?. Croy, R.M. Smith, R.A. Castleberry, J.H. Payne, J.N.Hamilton, J.R. Hutcheson, H.F. Robinson, H.L. McWhirter, E. Whisenand, J.W. Evat,t J.t. Satterfield, D.M. Choate, C.M. Mickle, S.C. Binning, R.R. Brigance, J.P. Chiles, A.H. Farmer, R. Holley, R.M. Huie, Jasper Baxter, W. Scroggin, J.B. Dyer, T.M. Hayes, F.M. Lynch, W.B. Sexton, J.C. Herrin, I.K. Leming, T.M. Evatt, W.T. Holland, P.C. Stone, I.J. Lucas, F.M. Gilbreath, C.C. Stone.


Item #2
W.S. Croy of Boles was taken on the jury in the Josh Smith case, and all the balance of the regular panel were discharged Monday.

In 1920 Winfield S. Croy have moved to McCurtain Co. OK and are living near the daughter Ellie who married Loy Sessions.  I understand from additional researchers of the Sessions name that they didn’t stay there long, but moved on into Oklahoma before their death.  So, cemetery records might be available there for this family if we were able to find the date and location of death.  We will continue to search for some record of this family.

EVERTON'S FAMILY HISTORY NEWSLINE
Tuesday, 30 May 2000

Researching Your Catholic Heritage

There are more Catholics in the United States than devotees of any other religion.  That means a great many genealogists are interested in tracing the religious records of their families.  Fortunately, the Catholic churches (Roman, Eastern, etc.) are among the world's best record keepers, with a hierarchical structure that has allowed many of these valuable records to be preserved.

Whether you're just beginning your search or you are an experienced genealogists, you need a good reference source to guide you as you look to find the doctrinal and structural differences between the various Catholic churches, the locations and extents of the dioceses and archdioceses, the meanings of the Catholic sacraments and the records that have been kept in conjunction with them.

All this and more are available through the pages of a singularly helpful site headlined "Local Catholic Church History and Genealogy", provided by Ann Mensch.  Mensch's efforts are meticulous, with good explanations of the essential details of Catholic doctrine, the religious and genealogical meanings of church rituals, the organization and structure of the various Catholic churches in the United States, and how to find and use Catholic records in your family history research.

Information is provided by Mensch herself, and there are scores of annotated links to related sources on the Internet that you can consult as you strive to learn what is available and how you can use it in your research.  If you have Catholic ancestry you will definitely want to visit this website often to take advantage of the wealth of help it will offer you.

Resource:
Local Catholic Church History and Genealogy
http://home.att.net/~Local_Catholic/
GEAUGA COUNTY OHIO - Thompson Township Cemetery Files
Includes the following cemetery:  Bartlett, Evergreen, Maple Grove, Phelps, St. Patrick's, Warner, Webster

CRY, Rachel  20 Apr 1874 78y w/o William
TH Maple Grove       34        2    NO
CRY, William  19 Oct 1872 72y

GEAUGA COUNTY OHIO - Marriages, 1806 - 1919  GROOM'S INDEX - Surnames  'C'
HOBART, Rachel CRYE, William   28 Feb 1831 76  Chester
HOBART, Rachel     CRYE, William        28 Feb 1831    B    193
 

Can someone identify this family?

 
 
Does anyone know when the 1860 census was taken in Tennessee?  That was prior to the time of the Civil War but was it taken before? During? After?

Joyce,
South Carolina seceded from the Union on December 20, 1860, on January 10, 1861, Florida, Mississippi and Alabama also seceded and Georgia on January 19, one week later so did Louisiana, and Texas on Feb. 1, 1861, and on April 12, 1861 the first shots that started the Civil War were fired at 4:30 AM on Fort Sumter, South Carolina , the start of the Civil War, after that in May, June and July several skirmishes were fought in VA. and the War was in full swing, and did not end until late summer of 1865.  But it had been brewing for almost 30 years, and was more or less being brought on by many factors from about 1857/58 and even before Lincoln was elected in 1860.  So if you do not find who you are looking for in the 1860 census, many men in the south were already traveling to meetings and conferences and were rushing to join which ever side they agreed with, as the Southern States had been threatening to secede for a year or more before South Carolina took the first step.  Northern tariffs had been strangling the south's production for years, and John C. Calhoun, Senator from South Carolina had been warning them about the high taxation on the southern States since the early 1850's.

Jackie

 
 

Genealogical funnies
o Can a first cousin, once removed, return?
o Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite.
o Crazy.... is a relative term in MY family.
o Genealogy: It's all relative in the end anyway.
o Genealogy: Tracing yourself back to better people.
o Do I even WANT ancestors?
o Some I found I wish I could lose.
o Every family tree has some sap in it.
o FLOOR: (n) The place for storing your priceless genealogy records.
o Friends come and go, but relatives tend to accumulate.
o Genealogists never die, they just lose their roots.
o Genealogy: A hay stack full of needles. It's the threads I need.
o Genealogy: Collecting dead relatives and sometimes a live cousin!
o Genealogy: Where you confuse the dead and irritate the living.
o Heredity: Everyone believes in it until their children act like fools!

 
Here is an interesting article of the times when many people were migrating from Ireland to America and Australia.  I found this on the internet and will conclude it in the next issue.
     Those who entered the workhouses were not just Catholics - they were poor people of all religions.  There was only one recognized religion in Ireland and it has to be remembered that no matter what religion you practiced if you were not Church of Ireland you were in the same boat as the Catholics

     This is not just true of Ireland at that time; it is also true of England.  Anyone in England who was not Church of England fared as badly as did Catholics in Ireland if they were poor to start with.

     What is written here can be compared with other parts of the world today - India with all her poverty and other countries such as Romania where so many children were kept in orphanages in the past.

     Here in Ireland - we have children living on the streets today - as you do whoever you are and whatever part of the world you live in.
Jane

The Foundling Hospital was part of the Dublin workhouse.  It was so named in 1730.        Children received into it were foundlings and all illegitimate.

     There were not supposed to be babies amongst them, as children under the age of 6 supposed to be cared for by their own parishes.  In each parish Churchwardens employed a woman. the 'lifter' and it was her job to go round the Parish at night 'lifting' any babies she found lying about.  She brought them to the next Parish and dumped them!  Sometimes she placed a lump of narcotic called diacodioum in the mouth to stupefy the child and stop it from crying.  There were also times that the 'lifter' in the second parish found the child and dumped it somewhere else if not back in its own.  One woman had 'lifted' 27 children one year, and 7 died in her hands.  These women knew nothing of what happened the children once they dumped them.

     Babies were brought to the Foundling Hospital in Dublin and they were fed on Panda (bread and milk).  At an inquiry in 1797 the matron said the diet was unfit to sustain life!  The feeding of panda to children had been carried out for 67 years

     Ghastly happenings were reported from the Foundling Hospital.   Once 13 baby’s bodies were found buried in a pit.  A workman found two dead infants wrapped in a cloth, these were identified by the marks on their arms.  Babies were 'branded' before being sent out of this place to nurses around the city to be minded.

     Children from all over the country were brought to this workhouse, carried by women in baskets, just thrown into the basket, up to 8 at a time.  Some were found dead on arrival or seriously injured.

     At an inquiry 1797 it was reported that corpses were thrown into a hole and covered with quick lime.

     From 1750-1760: 7,781 were admitted; 3,797 died and 3,932 put out to nurse.

                  Continued in the next issue

Another Obituary from Monroe Co. TN
Taken from Interesting News from Route Six, Monroe Co. Democrat, Wed. July 18, 1934

    I glance up a short distance north of my home and I see the old yard where Rev. Julian Brannon and his first wife, whose maiden name was Gadd, and their children, Sarah, Minerva, Betty Mary, Ancil, Joseph, Russell and Doonie, used to live.  Julian's first wife died there in about the year 1864.

    Julian swapped farms with Rev. James Givens and moved to his new home, and James and his wife and children moved to their home.  Rev. Julian Brannon and Rev. James Givens were both Baptist preachers.  Julian, at that time was pastor of a church in Blount County, and in 1865 he was married to his second wife, whose maiden name was Hannah Bryant. Julian and Hannah had two children whom they named Hannah Missouri and Nancy Jane.  Hannah Missouri Brannon was born March 22, 1866.  She professed faith in our Savior in early girlhood days and joined Bethlehem Baptist Church and remained a member of that church until her death, which occurred on June 29, 1934.  She was married to Elijah Harris on December 14, 1884.  Elijah Harris, son of Monroe and Oma Gibson Harris was born June 20, 1857 and died May 14, 1934.  For almost half a century Hannah and Elijah traveled life's pathway together. They had nine children; Laura, Stella, Mary J., Francis, Benton, Charlie, Robert, Henry and Gib, all of whom are living and all are married except Henry.  Besides their nine children they had fifty-one grandchildren.  Only six weeks and one day did Hannah live after her husband died.  Both were buried in; New Bethel Cemetery; Rev. Will Crye and Rev. Arthur White conducted Elijah's funeral services from New Bethel Church Rev. George B. McCrary and Rev. Hoyt Shadden conducted Hannah's funeral services fron New Bethel Church.

     Elijah and Hannah had both been invalids for some years, Dr. Bagwell, Dr. Leonard and Dr. Kimbrough all gave them medical attention.  Henry Harris stayed right with his parents and gave them all his time and attention for several years; now Henry is left alone at home the same as I am.

    Biereley Funeral Home had charge of the preparation for burial of the remains of both Elijah and Hannah.  Jane, I want to say to you here, that I took my aluminum dipper after your sister Hannah died, and went down to the home of Mrs. Callie Duggan and told her that I wanted to go to the old Bethlehem School House spring in her field and get me a drink of water where Hannah and I were so often together as schoolmates; and I said to her, "I want to call over the roll from memory, of the boys and girls who were our school mates there, now more than fifty years ago; and I want to write about this schoolmate who has now answered the roll call up yonder."  Callie said, "yes, Georgia, go drink again from the old school house spring in memory of Hannah, and also write something about her, for she is worthy of a tribute of respect."  And now this tribute is in memory of my schoolmate, Hannah, and Callie's cousin Elijah.

    With kindest sympathy to you, Jane, Charlie, Henry and all the bereaved relatives, I am your friend.  Georgia A. Stakely

Monroe County Obituaries

WE ARE THE CHOSEN
My feelings are in each family there is one who seems called to find the ancestors.  To put flesh on their bones and make them live again, to tell the family story and to feel that somehow they know and approve.

To me, doing genealogy is not a cold gathering of facts but, instead, breathing life into all who have gone before.  We are the storytellers of the tribe.  All tribes have one.  We have been called as it were by our genes.

Those who have gone before cry out to us:  Tell our story.  So, we do.  In finding them, we somehow find ourselves.  How many graves have I stood before now and cried?  I have lost count.  How many times have I told the ancestors you have a wonderful family you would be proud of us?  How many times have I walked up to a grave and felt somehow there was love there for me?  I cannot say.

It goes beyond just documenting facts.  It goes to who am I and why do I do the things I do.  It goes to seeing a cemetery about to be lost forever to weeds and indifference and saying I can't let this happen.  The bones here are bones of my bones and flesh of my flesh.  It goes to doing something about it.

It goes to pride in what our ancestors were able to accomplish.  How they contributed to what we are today.  It goes to respecting their hardships and losses, their never giving in or giving up, their resoluteness to go on and build a life for their family.

It goes to deep pride that they fought to make and keep us a Nation.  It goes to a deep and immense understanding that they were doing it for us.

That we might be born who we are.  That we might remember them.  So we do.  With love and caring and scribing each fact of their existence, because we are them and they are us.

So, as a scribe called, I tell the story of my family.  It is up to that one called in the next generation to answer the call and take their place in the long line of family storytellers.

That, is why I do my family genealogy, and that is what calls those young and old to step up and put flesh on the bones.
 Author Unknown

Letters
Anita,
I've been researching my Crye ancestors and have hit the preverbal wall.  My great-great grandfather was Joseph Alexander Crye b. 1-25-1859.  He married Nancy Ardella Jane Satterfield in 12-1879 in Menlo, Chattooga Cc., GA. this is where I'm stuck.  The family Bible states he was born in GA but in the 1880 GA and 1900 AR (he and "Della" moved there in 1880's.) census he states he is from TN.  In the 1910 census, he said he was born in GA.  I've looked in TN and GA 1860 census records and I haven't found him listed any where.  I'd love to be able to find out who his father/mother/siblings were so I can wrap this portion of my family search up.  I was wondering if you had any info that could help my search.  Any info you could give would be most helpful.    Mark