Crye-Cry
Family Newsletter
ISSUE 3
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 VOL 5
July/August/September
agcrye@bellsouth.net 
2001

August 2001
“SUMMER”

      This is the first newsletter since we had our “Photo Reunion” and I want to thank everyone who came to share your treasures.  We had several who came from Ohio, Kentucky, Texas and then locally from Cleveland, Benton and Maryville.  We had a good time sharing memories, pictures, food and conversation.

      Several ask if we could make this a regular gathering.  It is important to stay connected and learn who our relatives are.  If we allow one more year to pass, then we will lose a small portion of who we are.

      Pictures were brought in of Ohio Crye’s, Cumberland Co. TN, Georgia and Tennessee families.  We had some sent by email from the Northern states like Wisconsin, and Iowa.  We haven’t figured out who everyone is yet, but we are excited to be connecting.

      Doctoring and repairing the pictures from the digital camera has proven time consuming, but my goal is to have these done by the first of the year.  Then I can copy the disk and send all of those who attended a copy.  This will give us “looking” time to see how each of us compare.

      Each year we have a lot of changes in our lives and new people and places are conditioned in to enhance our stay on this earth.  I have received emails from those who have been helping me with research on our collateral lines.  This year they have lost wives, husbands, children, and relatives.  It has been a sobering time.  Let me extend my best wishes to each of you in the upcoming months.  It is difficult loosing loved ones; especially those of us who delve into the past to preserve our future.  Loosing our present sometimes causes our vision and desires to dim.  With each passing of our loved ones we must determine even more so to preserve our heritage.

      Happy hunting to us all.  I look forward to hearing from more of you with questions for me to help find the answers to.              Anita….

TERMINOLOGY
Words you might find in documents while tracing family lines


COMMON ANCESTOR - Ancestor shared by any two people.
CONFEDERATE - Pertaining to the Southern states which seceded from the U.S. in 1860 - 1, their government and their citizens.
CONSANGUINITY - Blood relationship.
CONSORT - Usually, a wife whose husband is living
CONVEYANCE - See deed.
COUSIN - Relative descended from a common ancestor, but not a brother or sister.

DAUGHTER-IN-LAW - Wife of one's son.
DECEASED - Dead.
DECEDENT - A deceased person.
DECLARATION OF INTENTION - First paper, sworn to and filed in court, by an alien stating that he wants to be come a citizen.
DEED - A document by which title in real property is transferred from one party to another.
DEPOSITION - A testifying or testimony taken down in writing under oath of affirmation in reply to interrogatories, before a competent officer to replace to oral testimony of a witness.
DEVISE - Gift of real property by will.
DEVISEE - One to whom real property (land) is given in a will.
DEVISOR - One who gives real property in a will.
DISSENTER - One who did not belong to the established church, especially the Church of England in the American colonies.
DISTRICT LAND OFFICE PLAT BOOK - Books or rather maps which show the location of the land patentee.
DISTRICT LAND OFFICE TRACT BOOK - Books which list individual entries by range and township.
DOUBLE DATING - A system of double dating used in England and America from 1582-1752 because it was not clear as to whether the year commenced January 1 or March 25
DOWER - Legal right or share which a wife acquired by marriage in the real estate of her husband, allotted to her after his death for her lifetime.

EMIGRANT - One leaving a country and moving to another.
ENUMERATION - Listing or counting , such as a census.
EPITAPH - An inscription on or at a tomb or grave in memory of the one buried there.
ESCHEAT - The reversion of property to the state when there are no qualified heirs.
ESTATE - All property and debts belonging to a person.
ET AL - Latin for "and others".
ET UX - Latin for "and wife".
ET UXOR - And his wife.  Sometimes written simply Et Ux.
EXECUTOR - One appointed in a will to carry out its provisions. Female =Executrix
FATHER-IN-LAW - Father of one's spouse.
FEE - An estate of inheritance in land, being either fee simple or fee tail. An estate in land held of a feudal lord on condition of the performing of certain services.
FEE SIMPLE - An absolute ownership without restriction.
FEE TAIL - An estate of inheritance limited to lineal descendant heirs of a person to whom it was granted.
FRANKLIN, STATE OF - An area once known but never officially recognized and was under consideration from 1784 - 1788  from the western part of North Carolina.

       Continued in the next issue

 

FIRST IN AN INSTALLMENT OF CIVIL WAR SOLDIERS
and
THEIR PENSION APPLICATION PAPERS.
     Last year I sent off to the National Archives in Washington for military papers for anyone who served under the Crye/Cry name.  I only received back about 5 but thought I would showcase those in the upcoming newsletters.
DAVID CRYE  Cry; David Corporal; Co. “D” 105, ILL Vol. Inft.


Enrolled August 14, 1862 for 3 years service.  Was discharged June 7, 1865 near Washington, DC.  He was born in Ireland, is 34 years of age, five feet seven inches, light complexion, blue eyes, light hair and by occupation a farmer.

In June 1891 David Crye signs a claim form stating that he lives in Spring Creek Township, Blackhawk County, State of Iowa and is 61 years old.  He has heart trouble, hemorrhoids, and general debility.  He has never applied for a pension and signs his name to the application.

June 1891, State of Iowa, County of Blackhawk, David Crye is applying for disability pension.  The physician’s statement is that he has known David for about 9 years.  “The soldier has suffered the complete time from general debility, piles, indigestion, and heart weakness.  These complaints are of a permanent character and were not brought on by said soldier’s vicious habits, but are the results of service in the Union Army – war of the Rebellion.  Said applicant has been and now is disabled to at least a two-thirds extend, and is incapacitate for manual labor so as to earn a support.”

In 1891 H. Waldroff of La Porte City, and Job Kennedy of Spring Creek Township state that they have known David Crye for at least 15 years respectively and that he is the age and person he claims to be.

In January 1892 David is back at the Dr. office and his weight is down to 105.  He presents with marked emarcation and a loss of bodily strength, eyes dull, body poorly nourished, feeble in action and gait.  General appearance broken down.
In March 1892 David Crye is granted a pension of $12.00 per month, commencing as of June 30, 1891.

As of 1898 he states in his application for pension that he is not married, with no record of a marriage existing.  He was not previously married and has no children.

In 1907 David Crye appears before a notary public and declares he is 76 years old and is a resident of Naperville, County of Du Page, State of Ill.  That he enrolled in the Civil war as a Private and mustered out as a Corporal near Washington, DC, June 7, 1865.  At his enlistment he was 5 feet, 7 inches high, light complexion, blue eyes, and light colored hair.  He was a farmer and was born in Ireland 1831 (exact date not known), exact location not known.  After his discharge he lived ten years in Naperville, ILL, eight years in La Port City, Iowa, and since then at Naperville.

In March of 1907 David’s pension is raised to $20.00 monthly

In January 1908 George W. Squires, MD of Avon, Livingston County and state of New York, prescribes medication for David Crye and signs that he believes he is of the age he states, 76.  David Crye is suffering from Prostatic disease, rectal trouble, and vascular hardening.

On May 30, 1908 David Crye is dropped from the pension rolls because of death.  He is buried in Avon Cemt., Avon, NY

Now, I did receive a questionnaire from a lady on this David Crye.  However, I know almost nothing about him.

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 In all of the papers I requested I was surprised to learn there were no records on Hugh Cry/Crye who served in the 20th Inft, Co K from Indiana.

Francis Cry/Crye who served in the 7th Inft Co. H from Missouri
Samuel Cry/Crye who served in the 33rd Inft Co B from Illinois and
Solomon Cry/Crye who served in the Infantry of the Civil War from Maine
 

John E. Crye 36th Inft Co. F, Mississippi, Civil War


John E. Crye enlisted March 5, 1862 at Meridian Mississippi for 12 months.  He was present for roll March/June 1862; and Nov/Dec of 1862.  July/Aug of 1862 he was listed as absent on special detail, artesian.  His age was given as 23.  Jan/Feb and June-Oct 1863 he is listed as present, but in Nov/Dec 1863 he is absent without leave.  Since Nov 23, 1863.  In October 1862 he is listed as wounded and December 1863 he is listed as paroled officers and men of Vicksburg and Port Hudson, declared exchanged.   In Jan/Feb 1864 he is once again listed present with the note that he had been sick in the hospital.  In Sept/Oct 1864 he is absent again listed in the Castillion Hospital

He apparently was captured at Vicksburg, MSs July 4, 1863, and once again was captured on April 9, 1865 at Blakely, AL

The final paper in his packet read like this:

To all whom it may concern, know ye that I, J. E. Crye, a private Co. F of Reg’t 36th Vols. CSA, being a prisoner of war in the hands of the United States Forces, in virtue of the capitulation of the City of Vicksburg and its garrison, by Lieut. Gen John C. Pemberton, CSA Commanding on the 4th day of July, 1863, do in pursuance of the terms of said capitulation, give this my solemn parole under oath.  That I will not take up arms again against the United States nor serve in any military, police, or constabulary force in any Fort, Garrison or field work, held by the Confederate States of America, against the United States of America, nor as guard of prisons, depots or stores, nor discharge any duties usually performed by Officers or soldiers against the United States of America, until duly exchanged by the proper authorities.

According to my research, this John E. Crye seems the probable son of David Crye found in 1850 Talbot Co. GA, and 1860 Scott Co. MS.
John married Nancis and is found in 1870 Scott Co. MS with a daughter 4.  In 1880 John E. Crye is in Van Buren, Co. Ark with a daughter Loudora (Dora) age 8, Mary Ida age 6, Birdy age 3 and Emily Summers his sister in law who is keeping house.  John is dead by 1889 and the children go to live in LA with their uncle, William M. Crye.

More on this family in the next issue


 
 

A DISCUSSION OF WILLIAM EDWARD CRYE
     I have had three or four emails from “across the pond” and thought I would post these for anyone who is researching and finding difficulty in connecting your line.  It is possible that your ancestor was one of the rare ones that came from an extended Crye family, circled through America and then out, leaving only questions behind.  I will include email addresses to these communiqué’s and if you think you might be able to connect, please contact the senders.

My great-grandfather was William Crye who married Suzannah Davies in Liverpool England 03/07/1899.  His father was John Crye.  William was from the United States.

We think William was born in Isle of Mann in 1861 or there about.  He died 1918 in Liverpool.

We forgot to add that William may have been born in the US, and his father born in the Isle of Man, this is all very sketchy but we know he was definitely from the States.  Someone out there must know if their son or brother went to live in England.

We have managed to trace through England that there is no evidence of his birth here just his death.  We do know that there is Crye family still living here and that the name is quite rare in England.  We did hear through stories that William had to leave the States due to an army indiscretion.  Can anyone out there enlighten us?  We also heard that his father was a Boatswain this is on his marriage certificate/ marriage of William to Suzannah Davies.
Philip

Hi,
Anita, you e-mailed me back with a reply last September regarding information I had asked you re: William Crye,  I will reiterate my original question as it has been so long.  I was trying to find a William Edward Crye who we only know was born around 1860 as his marriage certificate states he was 39 when married so if true we believe he was born around 1860.  We do not know which part of the States he came from only that the story unfolds that he came from the States, but originated from the Isle Of Man.  There is no record here or in the Isle of Man of his birth.

His full name on his marriage certificate is William Edward Crye, his fathers name being listed as John C. Crye his profession listed as Boatswain and deceased.  We do know that William had 5 children called William, Dora Florence, Sidney, Thomas H., and Edith Josephine. My only wonder is that my mother-in-law who's family this is, is called Dora Edith Immin?  I wonder if the Immin is a spelling error of Shimmin?  We have been told that this is a family name passed down, yet it only relates to her mother, daughter of William not from the other side of the family.

I am sorry Anita if this has been a waste of time for you, but like yourself I am now dedicated to unfold this family history.  We also have 2 detectives that apparently came over in the 1930-1940's trying to trace us.  Long story!!!. William also told us that he went AWOL in the army and jumped ship that ended up in Liverpool hence the family tree carries on here?  We do not know if this is true or not! Thanks for your time I look forward to hearing from you soon. You can contact me at gillianmoss@hotmail.com Thanks again Gill

(a new connection, Pam)
 Hi, we have been looking into our family history.  My mothers maiden name was Crye. We have only traced back to my great grandfather who was William Crye a sailor from Portsmouth, Virginia.  He came to Liverpool UK and married Susannah Jane Davies in 1899.  He died of cancer before my mother was born and is buried in Kirkdale Liverpool.  In the 1930s my grandfather William Edward Crye and grandmother Maria were sent a letter from a solicitor in the USA asking them to go to Chicago to claim land and property left to them by William's sister.  They did not go and nothing else was heard of the American side of the family.

 We also believe that before living in Virginia the Crye family came from the Isle of Man.

If you have information I would be very grateful.  We now have a nephew living in Tennessee and is getting married to a girl from Pulaski in July so we will be visiting the USA then.         Thanks   Pam

(second correspondence from Pam)
I am the great granddaughter of William Crye who married Susannah Davies in Liverpool UK. His son William was b 1905 he married Maria and their daughter Jean Crye is my mother (one of five children).

I am told William's family moved from the Isle of Mann to USA but we don't have much more information about them.

I am very excited in having traced William to Tennessee as my nephew has now moved from England by chance to Pulaski, Tennessee and will marry a girl from there this July, we are attending the wedding.  If anyone has information of graves etc for John I would be very interested.  This is the same line of family as posted by Philip Gilbert in February 2000.

(from Anita to Philip )
Phillip, I found a William Crye, occupation Millwright, age 30 in 1880, born Isle of Man, parents both born in England.  He is listed in Walla Walla City, Walla Walla County Washington in 1880, page 186C.  He is single but nothing else is listed.  Also, he is living beside a John Smith, millwright from Wisconsin who list his father born in NY and mother Wales.  I wonder if this Wm could tie into the man you are looking for?  So far, I haven't found much to help you, but I continue to search.            ag

(response from Philip)
Dear Anita,
 Thanks for still looking for William, this possibly could be our William although it would make him 10 years older than he has stated on his marriage certificate, I will look this end to see if there is anything listed for his parents.  I have had some interesting info from another member of the Crye family this end who unbeknown to myself is also searching for William, she informs me that she has been told that Wm came from Portsmouth, Virginia and that he was a logger there he also lost some fingers from one of his hands due to a logging accident, she has also heard about the detectives coming from Chicago looking for Wm with land & property in a will.  They were apparently sent from a Mrs. Little, we do not know who this lady is or what connection she would have had with wm, another addition was that they had originally been looking for a Betsy Crye but were unable to find her so went on to look for Wm.

 We have searched this end and found there were 2 B Cryes in Liverpool at this time and find it strange that they were not located.  I still continue to search from this end, many thanks Phil.
gillianmoss@hotmail.com      Philip
simon.pam@thefreeinternet.co.uk     Pam

 
JOHN CRYE
and
MARGARET CATHERINE SHIMMIN
      In the first issue of this publication I began a discussion of the children of John and Catherine Shimmin Crye.  I only covered a few of the children, then I got sidetracked.  So, today we begin again.  In John’s will their children were listed as William, David, John, James, Isabella, Sarah, Catherine, and Margaret.  I have been informed that there was another son, Hugh but he was not listed in the will.
See Issues 1, 2 and Issue 1 Vol 4 for previous information.

WILLIAM CRYE  -  first child of John & Catherine Shimmin Crye

William Crye born ca 1755 m/Sarah Higgins/Hagan
Children listed in the will & Rev. War pension papers are:

Catron      born  08/27/1780    NC Joseph      born  03/05/1789    GA/TN Isabel        born  08/10/1798    GA/TN
William Jr born 05/19/1782     SC Sarah        born  09/12/1791    GA/TN James        born  01/07/1801    GA/TN
Hugh        born  11/05/1784    GA/TN  Mary         born  01/20/1794    GA/TN David        born  02/05/1803    GA/TN
Mary        born  12/08/1786    GA/TN  John          born 06/18/1796     GA/TN Jonathan    born  09/07/1806    GA/TN
     In previous dialogue I stated that I had never found anything of the child Catron, and if it was a man there should have been something in the census.  Since then, I have learned much and must revise what I previously said.  Let me give you this thought.  When the names were listed in William’s Rev. War Pension papers, could this Catron really be Catherine?  It is written in the Bible as Catron or Calron but nothing gives a clue if it is a male or femal.  As we have never found any mention of Catron, I think this is a good possibility that this is really Catherine, after her mother, and possibly she married and has a new identity by 1800.

     In 1790 The Crye family was living in Salbury dist. Mecklinburg Co. NC and owned land there on six mile creek.  During the late 1790’s and early 1800’s the children of John and Catherine began to sell off the land, especially the sons, to the daughters who had married the Walkers.  William’s brother Hugh and wife Elizabeth are listed in these transactions.

     Child number two, William and Elizabeth Barker Crye, Jr and thier childre, were discussed in Issue 1 Vol 4 and Issue 2 Vol 4 in detail.

     I have found no record of Hugh Crye in any of my research.  there are a few High Crye's scattered around, but none match the time frame we are looking for, and I have been able to match the others with parents.  So, if you have information on this child, would you please consider submitting it to me?  Thank You.

     Mary Crye, born in 1786 appears to have died prior to 1794 because another child was listed as Mary also.  It was not unusual to name a second child in the family the same name if the first child had died.  There are no records of this child, and the Bible page clearly reads Mary written for both children.  So, assumption here is the 1786 Mary is dead by 1794.
To be continued

     Here is an interesting article of the times when many people were migrating from Ireland to America and Australia.
I found this on the internet.
Continued from last issue
Mothers often tried to get their children back, usually they didn't.

Older workhouse children were fed:

Breakfast: 1/4 lb porridge and a pint of milk
Dinner: pint of milk porridge
Supper: 1/4lb bread, spread with fresh butter
3oz cheese twice a week
Older children still:         1/2 pint beer & 1/4 lb bread (beer not very strong)


Comments from inmates and experts or people who had anything to do with it in later years.

Food always bad, cockroaches, crickets, earwigs.  Stirabout thin and watery full of lumps.  Maggots in bread, meat often stinking.  Clothes: for girls very scanty.  One petticoat, which was last year’s frock.  Neither frocks nor coats worn by boys were lined.  No waistcoats.  Children in the infirmary slept on straw, thrown on the bed.  One thin under blanket and another thin blanket for covering.  When a child died, it's boots and stockings and linen weren't buried with it but passed on to other children.

Overcrowding was dreadful. 4-8 to one bed. The windows in the room where children assembled in the morning were broken.

Children’s feet covered with sores, and their hands were often so swollen that they could not draw the thread sewing. They were afflicted with the 'itch'. (Today the 'itch' would refer to scabies which does occur on the hands)

The children were savagely punished at times: one boy complained about badness of bread and he got 20 lashes with cat of nine tails. Children were stripped to waist and lashed, a 7-8 yr old got 8-9 lashes for being slow to go to bed. An older offender got 60 lashes and had an iron weight tied to his leg.

One part of the house was known as 'bedlam'.. reserved for lunatics.  Children were sent there for complaining (considered refractory): this place even dustier, darker and more generally uncomfortable.  The children dreaded confinement in this place.

Two old women, both infirm, minded 60 sick children under 8 years of age in the infirmary.  The beds were filthy.
The 'dead hole' was a step or two from the infirmary door.  A carpenter once told someone that he had seen three dead children in a bed.  One witness declared that he had seen 30-35 dead children come away for burial at one time.

     De nobis fabula narratur, their story is our story
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ireland
     A must for the serious researcher of Irish ancestors.

 
 

GENEALOGICAL FUNNIES

 
I trace my family history so I will know who to blame.
It's hard to be humble with ancestors like mine!
Life takes its toll. Have exact change ready!
Searching for lost relatives? Win the Lottery!
That's strange; half my ancestors are WOMEN!

You Know You're Taking Genealogy Too Seriously If ---


     You are the only person to show up at the cemetery research party with a shovel
     To put the 'final touches' on your genealogical research, you've asked all of your closest relatives to provide DNA samples.
     You were instrumental in having 'non-genealogical' use of the genealogy room copy machine classified as a federal hate crime.
     Your house leans slightly toward the side where your genealogical records are stored.
     You decided to take a two-week break from genealogy, and the U. S. Post Office immediately laid off 1,500 employees.
     Out of respect for your best friend's unquestioned reputation for honesty and integrity, you are willing to turn off that noisy surveillance camera while she reviews your 57 genealogical notebooks in your home.  The armed security guard, however, will remain.
     During an ice storm and power outage, you ignore the pleas of your shivering spouse and place your last quilt around that 1886 photograph of your dear Great-Uncle George.
     Ed McMahon, several TV cameras and an envelope from Publishers Clearing House arrive at your front door on Super Bowl Sunday, and the first thing you say is, "Are you related to the McMahons of Ohio?"
     'A loving family' and ‘Financial Security' have moved up to second and third place, respectively, on your list of life's goals, but still lag far behind 'Owning My Own Microfilm Reader'.
     A magical genie appears and agrees to grant your any one wish, and you ask that the 1890 census be restored.
 Author unknown

 

Item and tidbit of interest!

January 1900.  Dame Fortune has smiled on young David Cry

      David Cry, son of Uncle Hugh Cry, went to Blount County last month.  David is now of age and goes to claim a small inheritance that awaits him there.  He expects to enter school at either Marysville College or some other point in that county and hopes to continue for two years.  David is an honest and well-behaved young man, and his many friends here are gratified to learn Dame Fortune has smiled on him.  (Son of David & Elizabeth Tuck, son of William & Sarah Hagan Crye.)

 
LETTERS
Anita,
     Please accept this small donation.  I intend to finish my information on Sarah Crye Walker.  I’ve been out of pocket.  I hope to do better.  Thank you for uniting us all.  Sincerely,  Ms. Porter

Dear Anita
     Just a few lines to inform you of a change of address so I can continue to receive your Crye/Cry family newsletter.  Which I sure enjoy reading.  I plan on getting my computer set up so I can zero in on the e-mail.  I recently bought a house in WI and my father will be 96 March 1, and is living with me at the same address.  His father was Zechariah and on back.  Here is my old address and my new one.  Sincerely, James

Anita,
     I recently received a letter from Norman Hairston, which interested me very much.  My name is Mary Dale Crye Laux and I live in Morrilton Arkansas.  My father was George Edward Crye – his parents were Joseph Alexander Crye and Nancy Della Satterfield.  My father had a brother David Thomas and he was married to a Fannie Hairston.  I would love to get your family newsletter.  My father thought maybe the name had originally be McCroye.  Any thinking on that?

Dear Anita
     I am writing as a follow-up to the e-mail I sent you earlier this year.  In your reply you noted that you have a Thomas Crye in NC., living with a Hannah family.  Please share the information you have on Thomas Crye and the Hannah family.  I would like to know the specific time and place in NC, and also the name of the Hannah family.  What records and documentation do you have?

It is special thanks I give to those who notify me of change of address.  Thank You!