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 VOL 5

October 2001

      Hello everyone from Tennessee.  Man how this year has flown.  Let me take a few minutes to thank each of you for coming to the reunion and sharing your pictures, stories, and such.  It was a very exciting time for me and my family to meet each of you.

      I have been searching for more of our family lines and have discovered about two additional Crye families that have been in the USA since about 1800.  We may be related, but most likely that would be over on the Isle of Mann, not as brothers in the USA.  It is getting a little adventuresome trying to place us all together, but with your help, I know it can be done.

      In Canada there is a Crye/Crie line that seems to be flowing into the USA helping to confuse the research.  There is a group in Missouri that comes from Canada, and in 1880 a select number coming from Germany, Holland, the Netherlands, Ireland, England, France, and so on.  It is overwhelming to me that we all came from the same line, but only research and connecting will show this.

      My children are no longer children but young adults at ages 22 and 26.  They have married and moved from the home, having families of their own.  I can remember when I began this project how uninterested they were.  However, since having children, they ask a few more questions now and seem to want to know more about their past.  They always say it is for the children’s sake, but I know it is curiosity that is getting to them.  We have such an interesting history to delve into.

      In the last newsletter we picked up on a discussion of the children of John Crye and Margaret Catherine Shimmin.  I have located a few items on the Internet regarding the Shimmin name and can’t wait to pose these findings before you.

      I am looking forward to hearing from more of you regarding your family line.  Some have given me questions and I have been looking to see what I can find.  So far, it seems we are all at a standstill regarding finding that specific clue to help identify family lines.  If you have found a new piece of evidence that you don’t mind sharing, I would appreciate the input.  Right now, I am giving all I find, and I need you to share with me.  I look forward to hearing from you.


Words you might find in documents while tracing family lines
FRATERNITY - Group of men (or women) sharing a common purpose or interest.
FREE HOLD - An estate in fee simple, in fee tail, or for life.
FRIEND - Member of the Religious Society of Friends; a Quaker.
FURLONG - See measurements.
GAZETTEER - A geographical dictionary; a book giving names and descriptions of places usually in alphabetical order.
GENEALOGY - Study of family history and descent.
GENTLEMAN - A man well born.
GIVEN NAME - Name given to a person at birth or baptism, one's first and middle names.
GLEBE - Land belonging to a parish church.
GRANTEE - One who buys property or receives a grant.
GRANTOR - One who sells property or makes a grant.
GREAT-AUNT - Sister of one's grandparent
GREAT-UNCLE - Brother of one's grandparent.
GUARDIAN - Person appointed to care for and manage property of a minor orphan or an adult incompetent of managing his own affairs.
HALF BROTHER/HALF SISTER - Child by another marriage of one's mother or father; the relationship of two people who have only one parent in common.
HEIRS - Those entitled by law or by the terms of a will to inherit property from another.
HOLOGRAPHIC WILL - One written entirely in the testator's own handwriting.
HOMESTEAD ACT - Law passed by Congress in 1862 allowing a head of a family to obtain title to 160 acres of public land after clearing and improving it for 5 years.
HUGUENOT - A French Protestant in the 16th and 17th centuries. One of the reformed or Calvinistic communion who were driven by the thousands into exile in England, Holland, Germany and America.
ILLEGITIMATE - Born to a mother who was not married to the child's father.
IMMIGRANT - One moving into a country from another.
INDENTURE - Today it means a contract in 2 or more copies.  Originally made in 2 parts by cutting or tearing a single sheet across the middle in a jagged line so the two parts may later be matched.
INDENTURED SERVANT - One who bound himself into service of another person for a specified number of years, often in return for transportation to this country.
INFANT - Any person not of full age; a minor.
INSTANT - Of or pertaining to the current month. (Abbreviated inst.)
INTESTATE - One who dies without a will or dying without a will.
INVENTORY - An account, catalog or schedule, made by an executor or administrator of all the goods and chattels and sometimes of the real estate of a deceased person.
ISSUE - Offspring; children; lineal descendants of a common ancestor.
LATE - Recently deceased.
LEASE - An agreement which creates a landlord - tenant situation.
LEGACY - Property or money left to someone in a will
LEGISLATURE - Lawmaking branch of state or national government; elected group of lawmakers.
            Continued in the next issue


     Last year I sent off to the National Archives in Washington for military papers for anyone who served under the Crye/Cry name.  I only received back about 5 but thought I would showcase those in the upcoming newsletters.

John E. Crye 36th Inft Co. F, Mississippi, Civil War

     According to my research, this John E. Crye seems the probable son of David Crye found in 1850 Talbot Co. GA, and 1860 Scott Co. MS.  Now, there are some who strongly disagree with the identity of this man, and that is acceptable.  I encourage you to write me and express your opinion of who these people belong to sharing your research as to why you have come to your conclusion.  This is the only way we can eliminate and process our data.

     In recent issues I have noted and ask about a John Crye who died in Arkansas in 1889 leaving five children.  Dora, Allie, Ida, Bertie, and Gensie/Jensie.  Determined to find out who this John was and connect him with the family, I wrote the Ark. County Clerk's office requesting a copy of his Probate records.  I sent a check for $3.00 along with the request thinking that would be sufficient for copying costs.  Within a few days I heard back from a Ms. Russell telling me the file was quite heavy and the cost would be an additional $25.00.  With a file that thick, not a moment was lost in sending her the additional funds.  When the package arrived I was thrilled.  I couldn't wait to investigate and discover who this John Crye was.

     Opening the papers I began to read and discover a little about this man.  His name was actually John E. Crye.  He seemed a little better off than most men of his time with his estate listing yards of velvet, and lace, pounds of buttons and nails; several women's hats and yard goods, sheep, yearlings, cattle; acreage listed in several locations, not just one plot, and fencing.  His debts were listed and he owed several men for work that had been done on the farm.  One of the men named was W. M. Crye.  He was owed $136.00 for mending the fences.

     On one page two men, W. R. Casey and J. W. Moore appear before the Circuit Court Clerk and testified under oath that on September 2, 1889.  J. W. Moore and a S. P. Wooten appraised one mule and one wagon belonging to the estate of J. E. Crye deceased.  Their opinion was the mule was worth seventy dollars and the wagon fifteen.  Sworn and subscribed April 3, 1880.

     In my research of David and Holly Crye of Talbot Co. GA I didn’t find John in the 1850 census.  He would have been 12, but David & Holly are the only ones listed in their household in Talbot Co. GA.  In 1860 we find David and Holly in Marion Co. GA with children William, Richard, and Jemy (Sarah).  John is found living in Scott Co. MS age 23 and a farmer.  He owns his land worth $400.00 and living with him is the Elizar Rich family.  Elizar Rich is female age 17, with children Sarah 11; Mary 10; Lucy 8; William 5; and David 1, all born in GA.  The Rich and Cry family have been found side by side through many census and travels from NC, into GA, and on to MS.  General consensus is that they have intermarried, but we haven’t found records to substantiate this at this time.

     By 1870 David is now in Scott Co. MS with his son William.  Holly has apparently died at this time.  Living just a few houses away is John with a wife Nancy and someone named Martha in the household.  Martha is either 34 or 4, but the census is difficult to read.  According to the 1880 Arkansas census, John and wife were in Mississippi in 1877 when Birdi was born.

     By 1889 I only have the probate records to decipher what happened to this family.  In these records, there were five children listed, four are minors, (under the age of 18), Dora (is 17), Birdy, (age 12) and Ida (age 15).  Now, Gencie/Jensie and Allie are not mentioned in the 1880 census.

      In the 1880 census, John was located in Van Buren Co. ARK (Clebourn Co. ARK was taken from Van Buren in 1883).  John is listed with his eight-year-old daughter Loudora, six-year-old Mary I, and three-year-old Birdy (so we can suspect that Nancis died between 1877 and 1800).  Also in the same household is Emily Summers, born in MS and is his sister-in-law who is keeping house.  By 1889 Emily is no longer in the area and the children are left orphans.  Gencie/Jensie and Allie were apparently born after 1880 so maybe their mother is Emily Summers.  Another theory is that Nancis mentioned in the 1870 census was just not home in 1880 and died about the same time as John.  There were no additional records to discover who the mother of Gencie & Allie was.  The children state in the probate records that their mother is dead and they have no living relations in their area.  This would lead us to believe that Emily Summers had also died, or moved.
John E. Crye, died in April of 1889 and by October 1889 the girls are living in Webster Parrish, Louisiana.  A court appointed guardian, Ellis Walters, has been given charge of their estate and will manage it for them until they come of age.  He is shown to rent out the property, pay the taxes, (or not pay them), repair barns and dwellings, and collect the rent.

     In 1894/5 two of the children, Dora and Ida, petition the court for their properties and inheritance.  Dora (Loudora) married Andrew Johnson in Claiborne Co. LA in 1893 and Ida (Mary Ida) married James P. Youngblood in 1894 in Webster Parrish LA, the county next door to Claiborne.  By 1895 both couples have apparently traveled back to Cleborn Co. Ark to petition for their inheritance and have found that Ellis Walters has not taken very good care of the estate.  In October of 1896 records of Gensie and Allie show they are still under age and the other child Bertha that was mentioned in the primary Probate records is now being named as Bertie.  On November 13, 1896 Birdie Crye signed off on papers stating that she “received of Ellis Walters all of the property belonging to me of the estate of J. E. Crye my father, in the hands of said Walters as my legal guardian and curator, and also the sum of $_________ as my prorate part of all moneys in his hands of said estate at the date of his final settlement as such guardian and curator.”  This was signed off in the State of Louisiana, in the Parrish of Webster.  She signed her name.

     Finding that the children appear in Louisiana, gave me a new place to look.  For five minor children (girls no less) to travel that distance (from upper Arkansas to upper Louisiana) would have been a major feat in 1890 so I figured they must have had family there.  In locating marriages for these girls another marriage was included, Fannie Crye married T. T. Stewart in Claiborne Parrish LA.  This Fannie is the daughter of William Mattison Crye, son of David Crye from the GA/MS/LA Cryes.  How excited I was to find this.  The W.M. Crye mentioned that was owed $136.00 must be the same as William Mattison.  In all my collection of names, there have only been two W. M. Crye's in this time frame.  William M. Crye, of David and Elizabeth Tuck (Cumberland, Co. TN Crye's) and William Mattison Crye who married Mary Waldrip from the LA Crye's.  It must be William Mattison Crye who had a brother John who was born in 1837.   I had a match.  This would explain why the children went down to Louisiana.  They did have family there, an uncle, aunt and first cousins.

     James P. Youngblood married Mary Ida Crye and as of March 1897 James becomes guardian for Jencie and Allie, minors.  Bertie is of age, but isn’t married at this time.

     Because there are so few census records for 1890, this 20-year time frame (from 1880 to 1900) causes a whole generation to sometimes get lost.  I have had a difficult time getting this Louisiana branch of the family connected, but I think I have a better picture now than before.

See J. E. Crye, Confederate Infantry 36yh Reg. MS Inf above

Jacob Crye 34th Inft Co.D Indianna, Civil War

    Jacob D. Crye, of Captian Fussell’s company was enlisted by Capt J. Jones at Anderson Indiana September 8, 1861 for three years.  He claims he was born in Madison Co. Indiana, is 19 years old, 5 feet 9 inches, dark complexion with grey eyes, black hair and by occupation is a farmer.  Pension application papers state he was born June 5, 1842 in Summitville Indiana.  Married to Mary Josephine Downs on December 10, 1874 at Fairchild Wisconsin by John P. McClanathan, Justice of the Peace.  He was not previously married, nor has any other wives.  His wife died August 7, 1891 and he has never remarried.  He listed his children as follows:

Zoe Crye, born October 16, 1875
John Crye born September 22, 1877
Cora Crye born January 15, 1880
Jessie Crye born August 10, 1884 and
Jacob D. Crye born February 3, 1890 and is deceased by March 22, 1915.
     A previous application dated January 15, 1898 does not list Jacob D. Crye, so he may have died prior to 1898.

     Jacob D. Crye was discharged from the service October 1, 1864 due to amputation of right thigh in the middle third, necessitated by gunshot wound received in the Battle of Champion Hill, MS, May 16, 1863.  He is claiming for pension rights because his right leg was amputated so near the hip joint as to prevent the use of an artificial limb.  An artificial limb was ordered upon his discharge from the military, but he “was not able to use it.  I have never been able to use an artificial leg.”  He also claimed damage from a bayonet wound on his left leg between the knee and the foot.

     In January 1869 Jacob D. Crye, age 26, a resident of Windfall, Tipton Co. IND applies for additional pension retroactive from the first day of October 1864 when he was discharged to the 13th day of September 1867 when his pension commenced.

     Jacob D. Crye was dropped from pension payments on May 1, 1919.  He died of acute broncho pneumonia and is buried in Royalton, Ind.  His parents are listed as John Crye and Edna Davis.

     This Jacob D. Crye is identified as the son of Joseph & Edith Davis Crye, Joseph being the first child of Joseph & Anna ____ Crye, who was the fifth child of William and Sarah Hagans Crye.


Crye, Jacob D.     Union     Infantry     34th Regiment, Indiana Inft
34th Regiment, Indiana Infantry
     Organized at Anderson, IN., and mustered in September 16, 1861.  Moved to Jeffersonville, IN, October 10, thence to New Haven, KY, November 15, and duty there till December 14.  Moved to Camp Wickliffe, KY, December 14, and duty there till February 7, 1862.  Attached to 10th Brigade, Army of the Ohio, November-December, 1861.  10th Brigade, 4th Division, Army of the Ohio, to February, 1862.  1st Brigade, 2nd Division, Army of Mississippi, to April, 1862. 1st Brigade, 3d Division, Army Mississippi. Garrison at New Madrid, MO, to July, 1862.  Helena, AR, District of Eastern Arkansas, Dept. of Missouri, to November, 1862.  3rd Brigade, 2nd Division, District of Eastern Arkansas, Dept. of the Tennessee, to January, 1863.  3rd Brigade, 12th Division, 13th Army Corps, Army of the Tennessee, to February, 1863.  1st Brigade, 12th Division, 13th Army Corps, to July,1863. 1st Brigade, 3rd Division, 13th Army Corps, Army of the Tennessee, to August, 1863, and Dept. of the Gulf to March, 1864.  Defenses of New Orleans, LA., to December, 1864. Brazos, Santiago, Texas, U. S. Forces, Texas, to June, 1865.  Dept. of Texas to February, 1866.  SERVICE.- Moved to Green River, KY., February 7, 1862, thence to the Ohio River February 14, and to Cairo, IL., with Nelson's Division, Army of the Ohio, February 17-20.  Detached from Division and moved to Commerce, MO., February 27-March 3.  Siege of New Madrid, MO, March 5-14.  Siege and capture of Island No. 10, Mississippi River, March 15-April 8.  Riddell's Point March 17.  Garrison duty at New Madrid, MO, April 7 to June 14.  Expedition down Mississippi River to Fort Pillow, TN, May 19-23 (Detachment). Capture of Fort Pillow June 5 (Detachment). Moved to Memphis, TN, June 14-15.  Expedition up White River, AR. June 26-July 14.

Action at Grand Prairie July 6-7. Near Duvall's Bluff  July 7  Aberdeen July 9. Arrived at Helena July 14, and duty there till April, 1863.  Expedition to Arkansas Post November 16-22, 1862. Ordered to Milliken's Bend, LA, April 14. Movement on Bruinsburg and turning Grand Gulf April 25-30.  Battle of Port Gibson May 1. Fourteen-Mile Creek May 12-13.  Battle of Champion's Hill May 16.  Siege of Vicksburg, MS, May 18-July 4.  Assaults on Vicksburg May 19 and 22.  Advance on Jackson, MS, July 4-10.  Siege of Jackson July 10-17.  Ordered to New Orleans, LA, August 4, thence to Brashear City September 12.  Western Louisiana Campaign October 3-November 30.  Grand Coteau October 19. Carrion Crow Bayou November 3.  At New Iberia till December 19.  Regiment re-enlisted at New Iberia December 15. Moved to Pass Cavallo, Texas, December 23, 1863-January 8, 1864, and duty there till February 21.  Moved to New Orleans, LA, February 21, and duty there till March 20.  Veterans on Furlough till May.  Garrison duty at New Orleans till December 18.  Ordered to Brazos, Santiago, Texas, December 18, and duty there till June 16, 1865.  Expedition from Brazos, Santiago, May 11-14, 1865.  Action at Palmetto Ranch May 12-13, 1865 (last action of the war).  White's Ranch May 13. March to Ringgold Barracks, 260 miles up the Rio Grande June 16-28.  Duty at Ringgold Barracks till July 24, and at Brownsville till February, 1866.  Mustered out February 3, 1866.  Regiment lost during service 2 Officers and 32 Enlisted men killed and mortally wounded and 5 Officers and 204 Enlisted men by disease, Total, 243


Crye, J. E.     Confederate     Infantry     36th Regiment, MS Inf
36th Regiment, Mississippi Infantry

     36th Infantry Regiment was assembled during the spring of 1862 and mustered into Confederate service at Corinth, Mississippi.  Its members were recruited in Scott, Copiah, and Hinds counties.  This unit had 326 men engaged at Iuka and lost 12 killed and 71 wounded in the Battle of Corinth.  Later it was placed under the command of General Hebert, Department of Mississippi and East Louisiana, and captured when Vicksburg fell.  During the siege it reported 28 killed and 72 wounded. After being exchanged, the regiment, serving in Mackall's and Sears' Brigade, fought in the Atlanta Campaign and in Tennessee with Hood, then took part in the defense of Mobile.  It sustained 6 casualties at New Hope Church, 38 at Kenesaw Mountain, 29 at the Chattahoochee River, and 13 in the Battle of Atlanta.  The 36th was included in the surrender of the Department of Alabama, Mississippi, and East Louisiana.  The field officers were Colonels Drury J. Brown and William W. Witherspoon, Lieutenant Colonels Edward Brown and S.J. Harper, and Majors Charles P. Partin and Alexander Yates

Newton Co., MS birth information:  residents of this county in 1917-18 and persons with links to this county
Name - Birth Date - Ethnic - Birth Location - Or Other Info Location - Group (Spelling Unreliable) Of Registration
Cry, George 15 Feb 1877 B  Newton MS
Crys, Jessie 22 Dec 1900 B  lives in Conehatta MS Scott, MS
Allen County, Indiana Supplementary Index to Death Records A-Z 1870-1896 Page 34
Cry, John M., male, white, died, 2, Sept 3, 1885, Fort Wayne SCH-2, 66

Loudon County, Lenoir City Cemetery Tombstone Records
Joseph Harrison Crye Died Jan.6, 1937  Age 48 yrs 2 mos 13 days

Forest Lawn Memorial Park Cemetery Inscriptions, Newnan, Coweta, Georgia
Crye Jr., William Earl 4 Sept 1918 - 8 May 1973

Caddo County, Oklahoma - Carnegie Cemetery
        Crye, Jennie                            Crye, Lee
07 Jun 1892 - 23 Jul 1979   18 Oct 1885 - 24 Apr 1959

Ringwood Cemetery, New Boston, Bowie County, Texas
CRYE, Cody Allen  May 25, 1990 - May 25, 1990

Devine Cemetery -  Medina Co. Tx.
Crye, Chas. A.  2/22/1883 - 9/24/1942
Crye, Harvey Lee  11/15/1938 - 10/29/1955
Pike, Edith Mozelle Crye  2/10/1903 - 10/7/1949

One Path of Migration
(from East to West)
The first settlers began owning land just after the Hiwassee Purchase in which the Cherokees gave up much of their historically owned lands.  That would have been approximately 1819.  A flood of immigrants from what is now northeast Tennessee and western North Carolina began arriving for cheap land purchases at that time.

One famous movement pattern into Monroe County was called the Clemmer migration.  They floated down the Little Tennessee River from the Gaston/Lincoln/Mecklenburg County areas of N.C.  This occurred during the mid 1820's.  Yet others came southward from Jonesborough, Tennessee's oldest settlement/town...located in present day Greene County.  One can always look into the history of the Watuga settlers and the State of Franklin when searching early Tennessee.  Of course, Tennessee did not become a state until 1796 (Kentucky in 1794).  Up until that time the northeastern Tennessee areas were a part of NC.

You must also remember that the Cherokee nation allowed some whites to reside with them...most of them being white traders.  For instance, Ludovic Grant was a Scottish highlander who was 'kicked out' of Scotland.  He arrived in the colonies in the early to mid 1700's.  Ludovic established trade with the Cherokees, eventually to reside and marry into the tribe...marrying into the tribe was a sure
way of getting to live in the area and was practiced by several traders. Thirty-five years later Ludovic Grant was used as a translator when the Cherokee was establishing relations with the British.

In our discussion of the children of John and Catherine Margret Shimmin Crye, their sons William who married Sarah Hagins Crye, and John who married Martha Jones, apparently came this route to Tennessee.  He arrived in Blount/Bradley/Meigs/McMinn Co. TN about 1820, dying in 1835.  This would match his pattern of movement from East to West.

Dates when laws were passed requiring Birth & Death registrations
1908  1908
1913  1913
1909  1909
1914 1914
1905 1905
1907 1907
1897 1897
1881 1881
1855 1871
1915 1915
1919 1919
1896 1896
1911 1911
1916 1916
1882 1882
1880 1880
1911 1911
1911 1911
1914 1914
1892 1892
1898 1898
1841 1841
1867 1867
1900 1900
1912 1912
1910 1910
1907 1907
1905 1905
1911 1911
New Hampshire 
1905 1905
New Jersey 
1848 1848
New Mexico 
1919 1919
New York 
1880 1880
North Carolina 
1913 1913
North Dakota 
1908 1908
1909 1909
1908 1908
1903 1903
1906 1906
Puerto Rico 
1931 1931
Rhode Island 
1852 1852
South Carolina 
1915 1915
South Dakota 
1905 1905
1914 1914
1903 1903
1905 1905
1857 1857
1912 1912
1907 1907
West Virginia 
1917 1917
1907 1907
1909 1909



Cry Eva Blount 1909 2774
Cry John W McNairy  1909 57112
Cry Mary McNairy 1911 57260
Crye Carrel Loudon 1908 55114
CRYE Caroline 66 1921 Blount #51
CRYE Granville 35 1923 Blount #207
CRYE Jno 74 1924  Blount #212


Miami County, Indiana Marriage Records A-E Volume 1 1850-1920

Allen, Elizabeth m/ Hugh Cry Sept 2 1858 C 1 102
Cry, Vera H. m/ Jas.Edward Starkey Age 20 Sep 25 1907 C-12 370

Marriage applications of St Joseph County, Indiana 1882-1920.
Yoder, Andrew  Napoleon Dan Ida Crye M W May 22 1882 59 221
Yoder, Daniel  J.Daniel J. Jane Crye M W June 10 1886 58 433
Rose Minta H. Cry, O. Replogle    Mar. 22 1911 24 7

Madison County, Indiana 1880-1920.
Cry Martha m/ Frederick Lowrey-Feb 10 1884 1 498

Jay Co. Indiana 1850-1920
Cry, Alice m/ William H Lanning W April 16 1883 C-F 388

Henry County, Indiana Index to Marriage Records Book 1 Vol 2 1850-1920
Holder, David m/ Christena V Cry  Nov 4 1857  CC2 123

Mississippi Marriages From 1829 to 1900
Ketchings, Warren marr/. CRY, Mattie  04/01/1896
Riley, Henry marr/. CRY, Hattie  04/02/1896

Marriages of Rowan County North Carolina, 1925-1949, Page 38
Crye, Ernest Lester m/ Jordan, Julia V 3/16/1935



I am looking for links to my g-g-grandmother, Catherine Cry Carnes Moore, born June 2, 1826? In Lancaster District, SC and died March 20, 1912 in Ft. Smith, AR.  She was married to James Moore in Union Co., Monroe, NC.  I am seeking info on both the Carnes line and very curious about the Cry part of her name.  Any help would be greatly appreciated

Yes, it is Mary Catherine Moore, whose parents were James Moore and Catherine Cry Moore.  Mary Catherine Moore married my great grandfather John Fletcher Fincher.  They had seven children of which my grandfather, William Murry was the third child.  She then married Jason Lewis Rogers and died in 1919 in Drumright , Creek Co. OK.  I was at that cemetery over Memorial Day since my mother was buried at Drumright and I took a photo of her headstone.  I notice that one of Mary Catherine’s brothers, Jefferson, did marry a Margaret Fincher but she is not listed as one of John Fletcher’s sisters.  I have looked everywhere for some information as to Catherine Cry Carnes’ parents names and cannot find anything.