Crye-Cry
Family Newsletter

ISSUE 1
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 VOL 6
Jan/Feb/Mar
agcrye@bellsouth.net 
2002 

January 2002
“WINTER”

 
    Hello from Tennessee!! This year is going very fast already with January almost gone.  I am looking forward to warmer weather and being able to travel some.  I have felt such an accomplishment finding information about Winfield Scott Crye and have been pleased to have obtained new records to continue my research.

      I apologize for not having the CD’s of the “Photo Reunion” ready before now.  I am working on them, trying to clean up the images and get everything copied over.  It has taken longer than expected but I haven’t forgotten any of you who attended.  Please look for them this summer.  Hopefully I will have everything together by then.

      I finally broke down and subscribed to Ancestry.com and have access to the census records there and to their many resources.  I have only been able to do my research from the computer for the past year.  I have written and inquired from several outside of the Tennessee area, and have gotten some information by mail, but not much.  I am now trying to contact extended families to see if they can share some information, but haven’t heard from many.

      The Georgia and Louisiana families have proven much of a mystery to me.  It seems because of the Civil War many of the records have been destroyed and in this fast paced modern age family lore is minimal.  I am trying however to make sense of some of the records that I have gotten.

      The Northern records are difficult for me to obtain so locating anything there has been a little hard.  Northern records would be more complete since the War of the Rebellion didn’t advance past Kentucky, but records aren’t available for most of the families I have been looking for.  Also, there were so many who came into the Ellis Island/New Jersey landings that if a family came in by boat, they just appeared sometimes with no warning.  And left as suddenly as they came when land or job opportunities afforded themselves.

      I have found a William Crye in Walla Walla, Washington in 1880 and he died in 1904.  I found that he had family in Illinois, but none of them were married or born here in America.  So that line just takes a downward turn leaving me hanging.  I will continue to track each line, but need input from each of you.  Some of you have already shared your family histories and that has been so helpful.  I have been late in getting out the newsletters, and for that I am so sorry.  I hope to get better and back on track again, but need information from you to add to the newsletters.  I do hope to hear from you soon.    Anita….
 

TERMINOLOGY
Words you might find in documents while tracing family lines



 
 
 
 

LIEN - A claim against property as security for payment of a debt.
LINEAGE  - Ancestry; direct descent from a specific ancestor.
LINEAL  - Consisting of or being in as direct line of ancestry or descendants; descended in a direct line.
LINK  - See measurements.
LIS PENDENS  - Pending court action; usually applies to land title claims.
LODGE  - A chapter or meeting hall of a fraternal organization.
LOYALIST  - Tory, an American colonist who supported the British side during the American Revolution.
MAIDEN NAME  - A girl's last name or surname before she marries.
MANUSCRIPT  - A composition written with the hand as an ancient book or an un-printed modern book or music.
MARRIAGE BOND  - A financial guarantee that no impediment to the marriage existed, furnished by the intended bridegroom or by his friends.
MATERNAL  - Related through one's mother, such as a Maternal grandmother being the mother's mother.
MEASUREMENTS  - Link - 7.92 inches; Chain - 100 Links or 66 feet;  Furlong - 1000 Links or 660 feet;   Rod - 5 1/2 yds or 16 1/2 ft (also called a perch or pole);  Rod - From 5 1/2 yards to 8 yards, depending on locality;  Acre - 43,560 square ft or 160 square rods.
MESSUAGE  - A dwelling house.
METES & BOUNDS  - Property described by natural boundaries, such as 3 notches in a white oak tree, etc.
MICROFICHE  - Sheet of microfilm with greatly reduced images of pages of documents.
MICROFILM  - Reproduction of documents on film at reduced size.
MIGRANT  - Person who moves from place to place, usually in search of work MIGRATE - To move from one country or state or region to another. (Noun: migration)
MILITIA  - Citizens of a state who are not part of the national military forces but who can be called into military service in an emergency; a citizen army, apart from the regular military forces.
MINOR  - One who is under legal age; not yet a legal adult.
MISTER  - In early times, a title of respect given only to those who held important civil officer or who were of gentle blood.
MOIETY  - A half; an indefinite portion
MORTALITY  - Death; death rate.
MORTALITY SCHEDULES  - Enumeration of persons who died during the year prior to June 1 of 1850, 1860, 1870, and 1880 in each state of the United States, conducted by the bureau of census.
MORTGAGE  - A conditional transfer of title to real property as security for payment of a debt.
MOTHER-IN-LAW  - Mother of one's spouse.
NAMESAKE  - Person named after another person.
NECROLOGY  - Listing or record of persons who have died recently
NEE  - Used to identify a woman's maiden name; born with the surname of.
NEPHEW  - Son of one's brother or sister.
NIECE  - Daughter of one's brother or sister.
           Continued in the next issue

THIRD IN AN INSTALLMENT OF CIVIL WAR SOLDIERS
and
THEIR PENSION APPLICATION PAPERS.

Last year I sent off to the National Archives in Washington for military papers for anyone who served under the Crye/Cry name.  I only received back about 5 but thought I would showcase those in the upcoming newsletters.

Joseph Cry Co F 32nd Regt Garrison Guards Indianapolis IN Vol Inf

According to my research, this Joseph Crye was the son of John and Edith Davis Crye, son of Joseph and Anna ? Crye. Joseph was born July 1835 in Bartholomew Indiana and married Amanda Michaels on September 21, 1856 in Grant Co. Ind.  In 1898 he states in his pension application papers that he was married only once and he lists his living children as David b1857, John b1859, Martha b1864, Luticia b1866, Peter b1868, Peggy b1871, Sylvia b1875, Aaron b1878 and Edgar b1883.  Additional children listed in the census records are Isaiah b1862 and Sarah b1874.  These two children were old enough to have married and been out of the home by the time this paper was filed.  However the question was “do you have children “living” and to list them.”

In April of 1880 Joseph began the process of filing papers for a pension for injuries received during his military service.  His claim is he is disabled from manual labor due to double ruptures and the piles.  In 1882 his doctor files forms attesting to the fact that he must wear double trusses and has severe herination.

Joseph had signed affidavits from several witnesses, including Benjamine Brewer, Oliver Ross, Luke Dean, Jasper and James Lightfoot, Jesse Wright, family physician, Joseph Bowman, John Metank, H. Dickenson, Charles and Thomas Felton, William Fosnow, James Bachtenkirchen, Noah Rush, Gabriel Morgan, Abraham Music, William Helms, Lindsay Wilson, David Crye (son of Joseph), James White, Robert Trader, and John Gardner.  (Robert Trader states he is Joseph Crye’s uncle by marriage.)  John J. Said was the only affidavit that described a different military history than the other 23.

John J. Said gave his affidavit and stated that his company, including Joseph Crye, had gone on a detail to Jackson Port, MO where he claims Joseph had hurt himself jumping from a train car and not in the line of duty.  He stated that when Joseph showed him the rupture, it was the size of “double fists” and had just happened.  He said that Crye was in such pain that he thought he was going to die and he gave him $40.00 to give to his family as they had been friends and neighbors before the war.  John states that the next day Joseph Crye was better and he gave the money back, but Joseph’s wife, Amanda states that John’s father Henry delivered the money to them. Joseph remembered the time with the money and said that he did give some money for John Said to take home to his family because John was coming home on a sick furlough.  Joseph was in North Carolina when this happened.

John states that Joseph Crye jumped off a moving train car and that is where the rupture came from.  He said that “by golly he nearly liked to die and he lay that night stretched out on his back, and the next morning when I went to see him he was better.”

John states that before the war they were neighbors, living close enough to see each other's houses, and after the war Joseph Crye's father in law kept him up as he was unable to work.  John swears that they went on detail to Jacksonport, Missouri and he was never in Washington DC, New York, on the Atlantic Ocean, or in a boat with Joseph Crye.

There must have been some 30 or 40 on that detail as guards and they were from several companies.  There was about 5 or 6 from their company.  When questioned about this trip to Jacksonport, MO Joseph Crye said he knew nothing about it.  He had never gone and didn’t know what John Said was talking about.  He did remember that John Said and some of the others of his company did go on a detail there, but not him.  After hearing the statement given by John Said, Joseph Crye again denied he knew anything about the trip, or about himself falling or jumping off a car.  In John’s affidavit he also states that Joseph Crye got a “jerk” stepping off a trail depot step, but Joseph’s response to that statement was that it was at Anderson Town, Indiana, and he remembered that incident.  It was after the war.

James Lightfoot gave his affidavit that he knew Joseph Crye and he had worked hard prior to the military service, but hadn’t been able to work much since then because of the rupture.  James Lightfoot knew him all but for 18 months from the fall of 1870 to the spring or summer of 1872 while James Lightfoot was in Kansas.

An affidavit from Noah Rush states that he had known Joseph Crye eight years prior to being drafted into the army.  Joseph was living on Noah’s mother’s place in their home.  He lived there three or four years prior to his entering the army.  They worked on the farm together from morning until night scytha, cradling wheat; log rolling and any and all farm work.  They were to report to the army together but Noah Rush didn’t go because he hired a substitute to go in his place.  He never knew Joseph to have a rupture until after the war when Jospeh Crye went back to Noah’s mother’s farm.  He didn’t stay there long because Joseph’s health was bad and after the war he could not work as he had before.

An affidavit from R. M. Trader states that he is 58 years old in 1887 and he resides in Van Buren Township, Madison Co. Ind.  He states that he has known Joseph Crye since he was a boy, and a considerable portion of that time they lived as near neighbors.  Joseph worked for Mr. Trader rolling logs, making fences and other general farm work.  Joseph was a stout rugged man and he didn’t remember him having any health difficulties.

J. A. Gardner gave an affidavit that he was 40 years old in 1887 and he knows Joseph Crye very well.  They went to school together and Joseph Crye would come over and see J. A.’s sister, and J. A. would go over and see Joseph’s sister.  Joseph worked as a blacksmith at Jonesboro.  He also worked with J.A. chopping and rolling logs and chopping wood.  They lost contact with each other from about 1854 to 1861.  In 1861 they were together again living on Little Ridley, working in a sawmill.  Joseph owed him money for work that had been done, and he paid him.  After 1861 they sort of lost contact with each other again.

Amanda Crye, Joseph’s wife also is enlisted to give an affidavit and she claims that Henry Said, father of John J. Said brought her $42.00.  This money was given to them by Joseph Crye in Indianapolis, IN and was to be given to his family.  John brought the money to his father’s when he had come home on sick leave.

An affidavit was signed by William Fosnow that he had known Joseph Crye since 1850 until 1867.  He attests to the fact that Joseph is unable to work because of piles.

Joseph gives his own declaration in September of and the following is his account of his military career.

He states that his name is Joseph Cry and by occupation a farmer.  His P. O. address is Boaz, Richland Co. WI.  “I live about four miles from that place on a farm.  I am the claimant in this case and the identical Joseph Cry who was drafted September 21, 1864 and was assigned to garrison duty at Indianapolis, Indiana.  My company was Co. F. of the Garrison Guards.  I knew nothing about any regiment until I got my discharge.  There I saw I was of Co. F. 32nd IN Vols.  I never was with that regiment and never saw the regiment or know of it all during my service.  I was discharged about the 9th of May 1865 and I was never in the military or naval service of the United States previous or subsequent to the service above stated.

I was born in Bartholomew Co. IN  I don’t know the name of the town.  I was brought away from there very young and was raised near Summitville, Madison Co. IN until I was about 14 years old.  There I went to Jonesboro, Grant Co. IN where I lived four or five years and worked at blacksmithing for Jacob Keplen.  I worked for him most of the time I lived there.  Then I moved into Liberty Township, Grant Co. IN where I worked in a grist and saw mill for Jesse Wright one year or about that time.  Then worked at farming for myself.  Had the land of one Noy (Noah) Rush and was working there when I went into the army.  Prior to which time I was a sound able-bodied man free from disability of any kind.  About three years before I went into the service, I had typhoid fever, but recovered from that perfectly.  I never had any other sickness unless chill and fever once in a while.  Never had a doctor except during the fever.  I never received any injuries of any kind.”

QUESTION:  Now please give me a complete history of your military service.  What you claim pension for and the circumstances under which contracted.

ANSWER:  “I was drafted, as I have stated, and reported for duty at Wabash, IN where I was stripped, weighed, measured, and thoroughly examined from head to foot and accepted, held to service, given a furlough for five days with instructions to report at the same office at Wabash, IN which I did at the end of the five days.  Then they told me they were not ready for me and sent me home on a furlough for four days.  At the expectation of which I again reported at Wabash, IN where I was sworn in and sent to Indianapolis, IN and turned into Camp Carrington.  I remained there for a few days, then marched up town where we were supplied with guns and equipments such as soldiers carried.  There we were put on duty to guard the camp or garrison duty where we were kept doing garrison duty until sometime about the 10th of April 1865.  Then I was sent as one of a guard to escort or take a lot of men, recruits, substitutes and drafted men, to Sherman’s Army.  We took eight hundred and eighty-two men as far as Goldsboro, NC and turned them over to someone there.  Then we came back to Moorehead, City, NC.  Going down we marched from Moorhead City to Goldsboro, NC, something over 100 miles and it took us some six or eight days.  This was all the marching going down.  We had transportation from Indianapolis, IN to New York and I fix the time of starting from the fact that we laid over one night at Pittsburgh, PA and that was the night of Lincoln’s assassination.  From New York we went by boat or shipboard to Moorehead, City, NC.  There on foot to Goldsboro where we stayed one night then by rail to Moorehead, City.  From there by boat to Washington D. C., thence by railroad to Indianapolis again.”

QUESTION:  How many were there of your guard and who was in command?

ANSWER:  “I think forty-two.  There was a Captain and a Lieutenant their names I never knew.  The Lieutenant was called Johnny “Lieutenant Johnny” is all I ever heard him called.  The Captain was a man that had lost one eye and had a piece of his jaw out, had been badly wounded sometime.  I don’t know his name.  About a week before we started on this trip, I took the diarrhea in Camp Corrington, IN and had it right along, but got no treatment for it.  The boys told me that rashed cheese was good for it and I used that until we left Camp Corrington and eat but very little food.  Did not go to sick call.  Done duty and was off only when I had to be from necessity.  When we got to Pittsburgh, PA the piles came down on me.  I did not know what the matter was, did not know what ailed me until I told some of the boys about it, how I was and how I was bleeding and they told me it was piles.

QUESTION:  Who did you talk with about it?

ANSWER:  “Some of the men of the squad.  I don’t know who for I did not know their names.  The diarrhea and piles continued right along and when we got on the boat at New York, I found I had taken cold someway on the road.  My head was all stopped up and I was sneezing and coughing.  We had been on the boat only a short time when I got seasick and vomited and wretched myself nearly all the time, some three days and nights.  I think we left the boat the fourth day.  The last day on the boat I could sit around a little but was very weak from diarrhea and vomiting.  I had no treatment while on the boat.  We lay at Moorhead City about one day then started on the march for Goldsboro, NC.  The first walking I did after I got off the boat at Moorhead City, NC, I felt a soreness and severe pain in lower part of bowels and the more I walked and moved about the worse it would be.  The first day out from Moorhead City I got a chance to ride most of the time in one of the provision wagons.  The second day I walked all day and often marching a little while.  It hurt me so that I would find myself holding up my lower bowels, supporting lower abdomen with my hand so I could get along.  My bowels were badly swollen and bloated and I found I could not march without supporting myself with my hand on the lower bowels on the right side.  About the second or third day I felt such a drawing down under my ribs on the right side and the only way I could relieve it was by pressure on the lower abdomen just above the groin on right side.  Then I noticed a bulge began to appear on the right side just above the groin and very soon got to be about the size of half a hen egg.  What it was at the time I did not know.  I did not say anything about it for several days until the boys got to asking me what the matter was.  Then I showed it to Joseph Bowman and “Hughs Dickinson”.  I showed it to Dickinson on the march to Goldsboro on the evening we got there and he said I was ruptured.  That was the first I knew that it was a rupture.  Coming back from Moorhead City, NC, to Washington DC, I met Joseph Bowman, an old neighbor who belonged to a Wisconsin regiment.  I think he was on his way to Washington to take part in the grand review and I showed him my side and he said it was a rupture and told me it would remain with me as long as I lived.”

QUESTION:  Who else saw it if anyone?

ANSWER:  “John Metank was along when I was showing it to Dickinson and I am quite positive saw it.  Though I was showing it particularly to Dickinson and taking with him about it.  Metank was present and heard the conversation and I am quite positive saw the rupture also.  These three parties are the only ones that have any knowledge of it while in service and the only ones that saw it.”

QUESTION:  Who was with you on that march and knew that you was ailing as alleged?

ANSWER:  “There were several of them, but all strangers to me.  I never had acquaintance enough with them to know their names.  The only ones that I knew were those I have named.”

QUESTION:  What treatment if any did you receive while in service?

ANSWER:  “Not any treatment, nor was I in hospital at any time.  After the rupture come I would have to hold it up when marching and often when sitting would hold it up to relieve the pain.  After leaving Goldsboro, NC we had little or no marching to do.  We got back to Indianapolis, Ind about the 10th or 11th of May 1865 and my discharge was waiting for me.  If I remember right it was dated a day or so before I got back.  I only remained in Indianapolis a few hours then went right home to Fairmont, Grant Co., IND.”

QUESTION:  How long did the diarrhea last and also the piles?

ANSWER:  “The diarrhea continued for a few weeks after discharge.  Then I got better of that and it has only troubled me by spells a little since then.  The diarrhea is liable to come if I am subject to a change of water and if I had no other trouble than that, I would not ask for a pension.  I don’t think I would average more than one attack a year, since I came out of the service.  But the rupture and piles have troubled me constantly and I have never been free from them since the war.  The piles are sometimes better than worse, back and forth.  The rupture has grown worse.  About eighteen months after leaving the service I had a bad time with the piles.  Was very costine and when the piles gave way on about this time, a rupture appeared on the left side which was caused by straining with the piles being very costine at the time.  The first treatment I had after discharge was from Dr. Wright at Fairmount, IN who treated me for diarrhea and piles as soon as I got home and continued to treat me until I left that county.  He gave me no treatment for the rupture but told me I must not do any lifting or straining at heavy work.  I left Fairmount, IN in the fall of 1865.  I moved to or near Windfall, Tipton Co., IN and lived there about one or two years and worked for Vice and Dennis, loading staves.  Then I moved to Wisconsin onto the farm where I now live and have had treatment from De. Dean at Sylvan Comens and Dr. Olivar Ross at Exclesion Richland Co. Wis.  They are the only ones that have treated me for piles and advised as to the care of my rupture.  While I lived at Windface, IN, Dr. Chew treated me for piles and fitted me with a truss.  This was in September or October 1865 and the first truss I had.  And I have never went a day without one since and most of the time a double one since the rupture appeared on the left side.  At times the piles are so bad that I can’t wear the truss on the left side and at such times I can do no labor and in fact, I can do only a little puttering around at any time.  At no time since my discharge have I been able to do more than one third of a man’s labor.  I claim that I have been 2/3 disabled each year since discharge.

Now as to the origin of my disability, I must prove that by Dickinson, Metank and Bowman as they are the only persons that really know anything about it in the service.  I cannot furnish any testimony of officers for I do not know who they were.  I was never with the regiment so the officers and commands of Co. F. 32nd IN Vols never knew me nor I them, and when I got back to Indianapolis, the officers and men were discharged and gone home and there was only one man in camp that I knew, and I stayed with him one night.  That was William Adkin, now somewhere in Illinois.”

QUESTION:  Did he know about your disability?

ANSWER:  “I told him how I was the night I stayed with him.  I don’t remember that I showed him the rupture.  I have never seen him since that night.  I think I can obtain his address for you.”

QUESTION:  Where are Metank and Dickinson?

ANSWER:  “I do not know.  I have done everything in my power to find them.  I have advertised through “Toledo Blade” for them twice or three times and written letters and asked my friends to look and make inquiry in Indiana where they used to live, but I can not find their whereabouts.  John J. Said was a neighbor and comrade with me in camp at Indianapolis until I started on the trip south, but was discharged and home when I got back to Indianapolis.  He knows about my rupture after discharge and the chronic diarrhea.  I can name no other witnesses in my case.  I had no rupture, piles or other disability prior to my enlistment.”

QUESTION:  Where is Dr. Chew now?

ANSWER:  “He is dead.  One of my witnesses, Mr. Fosnow knows that Dr. Chew treated me for he lived within ½ mile of me at the time.”

QUESTION:  Do you desire to be present during the taking of the testimony by me?

ANSWER:  “I will try and be present during the examination in Richland Co. WI, but not elsewhere.”

QUESTION:  Is there anything further that you wish to state in relation to your claims?

ANSWER:  “I don’t think there is.  I have given you the story just as full and clear as I can.  The only persons from Co. F. my company, who went with me on the trip to Goldsboro, was Metank and Dickinson, and their whereabouts I cannot state.”
 Signed Joseph Cry
 

Now, Joseph Crye applied for pension in 1880 and received a monthly payment for a right inguinal hernia but this payment did not include disability for the “piles or left hernia/rupture”.  I am not sure of how much the stipend was, but I know it was under $8.00.  He then began to apply for additional monies for the left rupture and the piles which hindered him from working.  By 1887 they were still taking affidavits to see if he was telling the truth as to when the left hernia happened.

Joseph had 23 witnesses to state he was healthy and fit prior to the military.  It seemed that the confusion wasn’t in regard to the ruptures, but where and when he obtained them.  Only one testimony is given that gives conflicting evidence to what happened to Joseph Crye, that of John J. Said.

The final declaration came to increase his pension to $8.00 monthly from April 1884 for the right hernia, and from August 1889 to increase his pay to $12.00 monthly.  Then from December 1891 his pay was to be increased to $14.00 and from May 1893 increased to $17.00.  Joseph Crye was dropped from the pension rolls because of death, December 24, 1903.

 
I have included detailed information from the affidavits regarding this claim because of certain time frames of where they were living, relationships established, and work histories that I thought the family might enjoy.  This pension application was 210 pages long.

 
Blount County Tennessee
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Will of John Alexander Crye.


I, J. A. Crye do make and publish this as my last will and testament.

First, I direct my funeral expenses and all my debts be paid as soon after my death as possible out of any money I may die possessed of or personal property.

Second, I give and bequeath to my son. S. H. Crye the part of my farm where I live, beginning on a rock corner on line of S. H. Hatcher near the barr, close to said Hatcher’s house.  Thence an east course by a cedar that is marked as a center tree a straight line to line of Carnal Rhyne.  My said son S. H. Crye to receive all the land on north side of this line, but I reserve a right of way by said Carnal Rhyne’s land to road 18 foot wide for my sons W. A. Crye and G. L. Crye.

Third, I give and bequeath to my sons W. A. and G. L. Crye all my land on south side of the above named line the oak timber land to be divided as near equal with said W. A. and G. L. Crye as possible.  The line between my said sons W. A. and G. L. Crye to begin on a rock corner on line of Malissa Best with a cedar persimmon, Sassafras, and oak pointers to same thence a north course by a persimmon that is marked as a center tree to the land I have bequeathed to S. H. Crye all the land on east side of this line I bequeath to my son W. A. Crye.  With the ½ one half of above named timber I give and bequeath to my son G. L. Crye all the land on west side of last named line except one half of said oak timber which I have given to W. A. Crye my son G. L. Crye to have a right of way 18 feet wide along line of S. H. Crye to 1st named right of way.  Right of way to be 18 feet wide and on south side of S. H. Crye’s line and given for benefit of both, W. A. and G. O. Crye also I reserve a right of way for W. A. Crye to get to his timber through land of G. L. Crye along line of S. H. Crye opposite said W. A. Cryes timber, thence the best route for a road to said timber.  All of said rights of way to be 18 feet wide.

I hold a life estate on all above named land as long as I live and am to receive 1/3 of all produced on farm and same applies to my wife Caroline Crye until her death.  All of the above named land lies in Dist No 1, Blount Co. TN.  To the children of my daughter Alice Hatcher deceased, I give and bequeath the sum of $1.00 one dollar.

My witness whereof I do to this my will set my hand this April 29, 1919.  Attest to mark G. W. Ross, Houston Crye  (marked by J. A. Crye)

Signed and published in our presence and we have subscribed our names here to in his presence the presence of the testator and at his request this April 29, 1919                Signed G. W. Ross & Houston Crye

This will was the product of John Alexander Crye, who married Caroline Tucker.  J. A. was the son of Elias and Nancy Jane Williamson Crye.  Son of John Alexander and Martha Jones Crye, brother of William and Sarah Hagans Crye.
In earlier newsletters I had inquired to who Alice Cry (who married Sam Houston Hatcher) belonged to and in the will I found the answer.  Also, in the 1920 Blount Co. TN census, there are four grandchildren living with J. A. and Caroline.  Jessee Crye 16, Oscar Crye 13, Carrie Crye 9 and Charles Hatcher 15.

JOHN CRYE and MARGARET CATHERINE SHIMMIN
Continued from Issue 3   Vol 5


In previous issues of this publication I began a discussion of the children of John and Catherine Shimmin Crye.  I only covered a small section on the children, then I got sidetracked.  So, today we begin again.  In his will their children were listed as William, David, John, James, Isabella, Sarah, Catherine, and Margaret.   An additional son Hugh has been identified to me by LDS researchers but was not mentioned in the will.
 

WILLIAM CRYE  and  SARAH HAGINS CRYE

William Crye born ca 1755 m/Sarah Higgins/Hagan
Children are:
 
 

1. Catron     born  08/27/1780 NC 5. Joseph     born    03/05/1789 GA/TN 9. Isabel      born  08/10/1798 GA/TN
2. William Jr    born 05/19/1782 SC 6. Sarah      born  09/12/1791 GA/TN 10. James     born  01/07/1801 GA/TN
3. Hugh      born  11/05/1784 GA/TN 7. Mary     born  01/20/1794 GA/TN 11. David     born  02/05/1803 GA/TN
4. Mary      born  12/08/1786 GA/TN 8. John      born 06/18/1796 GA/TN 12. Jonathan    born  09/07/1806 GA/TN

Child number 5, Joseph Crye, born in 1789 matches all information for the Wisconsin Crye’s.  Discussed in previous issues, he married Anna _____ somewhere between NC and Indiana.  They are found in the 1830-1840-1850 and 1860 Census of Bartholomew, Howard, and Grant Co. IN.

Issue 2  Vol 1 gives a detailed history of Joseph and Anna Crye and lists their children.  Issue 6 Vol 2 gives a detailed narrative from a descendant of Cynthia Ann, their third child.  Knowledge of Anna’s last name has been difficult to find as no marriage has been located.  What is known is that Joseph was married in the 1830 census, and in the 1850 census his wife is listed as Anna.

Nothing is known or has been submitted regarding Sarah the sixth child.  She would have been 20 in 1810 in Burke Co. NC when the family was there.  Apparently they were still there in 1820, but no census records have been located during that year for any county or state.  The courthouse in Burke Co. NC was burned around the time of 1860 and all records prior to this were destroyed, so we have no marriage or any other data to find where she might have gone to or whom she might have married.

Child number 7 is the second Mary, born in 1794.  I did list some information on a Mary and Isabell Crye in Issue 2, Volume 4 concerning bastardy bonds for a Mary and Isabell Crye.  The time was April and July of 1821 therefore I feel certain the family was still there at that time.  I am listing the information again in hopes it may connect with some family line.

There is evidence that a Mary did marry in NC and there could be a whole line of her own, but nothing has been submitted or proven.  What I have located are bastardy bonds in Burke Co. NC.
 

Mary Crye, July 27, 1821, bondsman Elisha Anderson, Elrod Poteet, Abram Deal.

Mary Crye April 14, 1821 bastardy bonds, bondsman Elisha Anderson, James Lovin, and David Thompson.

Izbell Crye, July 27, 1821 bondsman John Lowery, Christian Bottles, and Aaron B. Hawkins.

 
Now, what I have been told is, usually one of the men mentioned on the bond is the father of the child.  I haven’t any proof, nor have I found a family that matches any of this, however, Mary and Izbell did have children while in Burke Co. NC and apparently they were not married.

Mary would have been about 35 and Izbell about 25 but additional information on the children state they were older when they began their families.  It might be that these two girls listed are not the daughters of William and Sarah.  We have found several Crye’s in Union Co. NC that do not appear to have a match to the family lines.  So, it is possible that these girls were daughters of William’s brother’s children.  There is no evidence or proof, so we may never know.  What we do know is that William and Sarah did not bring Mary and Izbell with them when they came into TN.  It is possible they stayed in NC or in GA during one of their moves.  Nothing is listed in any family record that I have been given.  There is a Mary in Union Co. who marries Samuel Walkup, but she was born about 1815 according to records submitted on her and her connection to the family has not been made at this time.

Child number 8 is John born in 1796.  Located in the mortality schedule for Kansas, Doniphan County in 1870 I find a John Crye, age 76, a farmer, born in VA, dying of an aneurysm.  The name and time frame match, albeit his age is off by two years, however, I feel this is the right man.  I have never found family for this person, so I don’t really know anything else about him.

In 1870 there is a family in Brown Co. KS, John Crye age 45, wife Louisa age 35, children:  Louisa 13, Mary 10, Charles 8, and Rosa 6.  Both parents are listed from Baden, born of foreign birth and the children are all listed born in Missouri.  In Butler Co. KS a William J. Cry, age 23 born in Ohio is living with Harry Garrison as a farm hand.  Next door is a John Cry age 24 living with a John C. Ricker/Recon born in PA and both are listed as farmers.  A connection to these families has not been made, but they don’t appear to be the children of John Crye who died in Doniphan Co. in 1870.

Child number 9 appears to have been the same Isabell discussed with Mary child number seven.  Isabell didn’t come to Tennessee with her parents but bastardy bonds found for 1821 gives credence that she was in Burke Co. NC at that time.
Child number ten appears to have been a very colorful character.  Issue 3  Vol 4;  and Issues 1, 2, 3, Vol 5 discuss this son in great detail along with his descendants.

To be continued