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 VOL 6

July 2002

     Welcome to the newsletter for July/August/September of 2002.  I am working toward getting my act together with research and finding data to share with each of you.  The information that was once readily available is now scratching and digging diligently to be found.  Many trips and many hours on the Internet to obtain a small amount of data at times seems the only way to find something to share with everyone.  I am amazed at how like panning for gold this is.  I have a friend who goes into the Tennessee mountains and still pans for gold, finding dust mostly.  However, even dust accumulates into nuggets at times.  This is my goal too, to find dusty trails that lead to nuggets of information on our family and extended lines.

      At this time we are still in the mountains of East Tennessee near Townsend.  I have found many of our relatives here, but haven’t been able to talk with them much.  It appears most everyone in Blount County has descended from a brother of my ancestor John.  There is much speculation here that John is part Indian or married into Indian bloodline.  I am having no luck proving or disproving the theories, but I am enjoying searching around.

      I have received notice that some that attended the reunion in Cleveland in 2001 have already met an untimely end.  We are saddened to know of family losses.  The more we loose, the more we have lost.  Please take the time to pass on your heritage, it is important in this day of fast media coverage and multi-tasking.  Take the time to share.  This is the only way for the memories to continue. 

      I have gotten the photos cleaned up and almost ready for mailing, but I am still trying to correctly name the people and their lineage.  I have submitted the photos for help from some who attended the reunion, so I hope that task will be accomplished soon.
 Just a note about my children: My daughter has met a wonderful man and married in April, 2002.  My son is once again living close to us and we are enjoying family time together.  The church is growing, and we are finding we love the mountains.   And …I look forward to hearing from some of you, in hopes of new information to trace.

Words you might find in documents while tracing family lines
(continued from previous issue)
SON-IN-LAW  - Husband of one's daughter.
SPINSTER  - A woman still unmarried; or one who spins.
SPONSOR  - .A bondsman; surety
SPOUSE  - Husband or wife
STATUTE   - Law.
STEP-BROTHER / STEP-SISTER. - Child of one's step-father or step-mother
STEP-CHILD.  - Child of one's husband or wife from a previous marriage
STEP-FATHER.  - Husband of one's mother by a later marriage
STEP-MOTHER  - Wife of one's father by a later marriage.
SURNAME  - Family name or last name.
TERRITORY  - Area of land owned by the United States, not a state, but having its own legislature and governor.
TESTAMENTARY  - Pertaining to a will.
TESTATE  - A person who dies leaving a valid will.
TESTATOR  - A person who makes a valid will before his death.
TITHABLE   - Taxable.
TITHE  - Formerly, money due as a tax for support of the clergy or church.
TORY  - Loyalist; one who supported the British side in the American Revolution.
TOWNSHIP   - A division of U.S. public land that contained 36 sections, or 36 square miles.  Also a subdivision of the county in many Northeastern and Midwestern states of the U.S.
TRADITION   - The handing down of statements, beliefs, legends, customs, genealogies, etc. from generation to generation, especially by word of mouth.
TRANSCRIBE  - To make a copy in writing.
ULTIMO  - In the month before this one.
UNION  - The United States; also the North during the Civil War, the states which did not secede.
VERBATIM   - Word for word; in the same words, verbally.
VITAL RECORDS  - Records of birth, death, marriage or divorce.
VITAL STATISTICS   - Data dealing with birth, death, marriage or divorce.
WAR BETWEEN THE STATES  - U.S. Civil War, 1861 - 1865.
WARD  - Chiefly the division of a city for election purposes.
WILL   - Document declaring how a person wants his property divided after his death.
WITNESS   - One who is present at a transaction, such as a sale of land or signing of a will, who can testify or affirm that it actually took place.
WPA HISTORICAL RECORDS SURVEY    - A program undertaken by the US Government 1935 - 1936 in which inventories were compiled of historical     material.
YEOMAN   - A servant, an attendant or subordinate official in a royal household; a subordinate of a sheriff; an independent farmer. 

John Shimmon Crye 
     This John Shimmon Crye is the grandson of John Crye and Catherine Margaret Shimmon, son of John Alexander and Martha Jones Crye of Blount County Tennessee.  John Alexander was a brother to William Crye who married Sarah Hagins.  (my personal line)

     John Shimmon Crye, apparently named after his mother’s side of the family, does not show a register on joining the Civil War.  According to the following family lore, he was waiting for an unborn son to arrive and had delayed joining. 

     John Shimmon was written about in the August 1998 issue of the Crye/Cry Family Newsletter, Issue 3; Volume 1.  Here is an excerpt from “Memories from Uncle Frank” 

     The Civil War was at a white heat in 1863.  Grandpa Shimmon hadn’t yet enlisted.  He was still around home waiting for his third child to be born, John Riley Crye, my father.  He was born July 13, 1863.  In October, grandpa and two other friends of his were persuaded to go with these strangers who wanted also to enlist.  Grandpa Shimmon Crye was 33 years old when he was martyred.  That is what is says on his tombstone.  “Martyred”. 

     In a book entitled “The Churches of Blount County on page 113 there is this record.  There is a story that an unknown man killed on the Great WarPath was the first burial, also a man named George Best and his brother-in-law Simeon Crye were “bushwhacked” at Tomotley Ford during the Civil War and were buried here.  (Williamson Methodist Church Cemetery). 

John Shimmon Crye

Samuel Crye 33rd Inft CO. B, Illinois

I have applied to Washington for the records of a Samuel Crye, who fought from the state of Illinois, 33rd Inf. Co. B.  However, no records were found.  He is listed in the record books, but nothing showed up in the pension files.  The following is an account of the regiment he served in.


33rd Regiment, Illinois Infantry 
o Organized at Camp Butler, IL, and mustered in September 3, 1861. 
o Moved to Ironton, MO, September 20, 1861. 
o Attached to Department of Missouri to March 1862. 
o 2nd Brigade, Steele's Army of Southeast Missouri, to May 1862. 
o 1st Division, Army of Southwest Missouri, to July 1862. 
o 1st Division, District of Eastern Arkansas, Dept. of Missouri, to November 1862. 
o 1st Brigade, 1st Division, Army of Southeast Missouri, to March 1863. 
o 1st Brigade, 14th Division, 13th Army Corps, Dept. of the Tennessee, to July, 1863. 
o 1st Brigade, 1st Division, 13th Army Corps, Dept. of the Tennessee, to August 1863, 
       and Dept. of the Gulf, to June, 1864. 
o District of LaFourche, Dept. of the Gulf, to February 1865. 
o 1st Brigade, October 12-25, 1861. 
o Skirmish at Big River Bridge, near Potosi, October 15. 
o Action at Fredericktown October 21.
o Moved to Reeve's Station March 3, 1862.
o Steele's Expedition to White River, AR, March 23-May 10. 
o March to Batesville, AR, April 5-May 3, t
o Hence to 1st Division, 16th Army Corps, Military Division West Mississippi, to June 1865. 
o Dept. of Mississippi, to November 1865.


o Duty at Ironton, MO, till March 1862. 
o Expedition to Fredericktown, MO, Helena, AR, May 25-July 14. 
o Action at Hill's Plantation, Cache River, July 7. 
o Duty at and near Helena, AR, till September 1, participating in numerous expeditions.
o Action at Totten's Plantation August 2. 
o Prentiss and Bolivar September 24. 
o Friar's Point September 28. 
o Moved to Pilot Knob, MO, thence to Van Buren, AR, November 15. 
o Campaign in Southeast Missouri December 1862, to March 1863. 
o Ordered to St. Genevieve March 5, and thence to Milliken's Bend, LA. Duty there till April 25. 
o Movement on Bruinsburg and turning Grand Gulf April 25-30. 
o Battle of Port Gibson May 1. 
o Battle of Champion's Hill, MS., May 16. 
o Big Black River Bridge May 17. 
o Siege of Vicksburg, MS, May 18-July 4. 
o Assaults on Vicksburg May 19 and 22. 
o Surrender of Vicksburg July 4. 
o Advance on Jackson, MS, July 5-10. 
o Siege of Jackson July 10-17. 
o Duty at Vicksburg till August 20. 
o Ordered to New Orleans, LA, August 20. 
o Duty at Carrollton, Brashear City and Berwick till October. 
o Western Louisiana Campaign October 3-November 10. 
o Ordered to New Orleans, LA November 10, thence to Texas November 12. 
o Capture of Mustang Island, Matagorda Bay, November 17. 
o Fort Esperanza November 27-30. 
o Duty at Indianola and Lavacca, TX till March 1864. 
o Veterans on furlough March and April. 
o Moved to New Orleans, LA, April 18-29, thence to Brashear City May 17, and duty there and in the District of LaFourche, till February, 1865. 
o Companies "F," "C" and "K," at Bayou Boeuf; Company "I" at Bayou L'Ours;  Companies "A" and "D" at Tigerville; Company "G" at Chacahoula; Company "E" at Terre Bonne; Company "B" at Bayou LaFourche, and Bayou des Allemands; Company "H" at Boutte, till March, 1865. 
o Non-Veterans moved north in charge of prisoners via New York September 17, 1864.  Mustered out October 11, 1864. 
o Campaign against Mobile and its defenses March 18-April 12, 1865. 
o Siege of Spanish Fort and Fort Blakely March 26-April 8. 
o Assault and capture of Fort Blakely April 9. 
o Occupation of Mobile April 12. 
o March to Montgomery April 13-25. 
o Moved to Selma May 10, thence to Meridian, MS May 17. 
o Duty at Meridian and Vicksburg till November. 
o Mustered out November 24 and discharged at Chicago, Ill., December 6, 1865.

Regiment lost during service 2 Officers and 56 Enlisted men killed and mortally wounded and 1 Officer and 250 Enlisted men by disease. Total 309. 

Francis Crye 7th Infantry, CO. H Missouri
I have applied to Washington for the records of a Francis Crye, who fought from the state of Missouri, 7th Inf. Co. H.  However, no records were found.  He is listed in the record books, but nothing showed up in the pension files.  The following is an account of the regiment he served in.


7th Regiment, Missouri Infantry 
o Organized at St. Louis, MO, June 1861. 
o Attached to Booneville, MO, to September 1861. 
o Fremont's Army of the West to February 1862. 
o Lexington, MO Dept. of the Missouri, to July 1862. 
o Unattached, Pittsburgh Landing, TN, Army of the Tennessee, to September 1862. 
o 4th Brigade, 1st Division, District of Jackson, TN, to November 1862. 
o 4th Brigade, 3rd Division, Left Wing 13th Army Corps (Old), Dept. of the Tennessee, to December 1862. 
o 3rd Brigade, 3rd Division, 17th Army Corps, to April 1864. 
o Maltby's Brigade, District of Vicksburg, MS to June 1864. 
o 1st Brigade, District of Memphis, TN, 16th Army Corps, to August 1864 (Veterans). 
o 1st Brigade, 2nd Division, 19th Army Corps, Dept. of the Gulf, to December 1864. 


o Moved to Booneville, MO July 1-4, 1861, thence to Rolla August 30 and to Syracuse, MO October 5-10. 
o Fremont's Campaign against Springfield October 21-November 2. 
o Moved to Sedalia November 10-14, thence to Otterville December and duty there till February 1862.
o Expedition to Blue Springs January 20-February 3, 1862 (Cos. "B," "F" and "H" detached from Regiment November 21, 1861, and ordered to Kansas City.  Rejoined Regiment at Lexington, MO, February 1862.) 
o Moved to Lexington, MO, February 3-10, 1862, and duty there till May 9. 
o Reconnaissance from Greenville February 23-24 (Co. "H"). 
o Skirmish at Mingo Creek near St. Francisville, February 24 (Co. "H"). 
o Moved to Pittsburgh Landing, TN May 9-14, and guard and fatigue duty there till     August 15. 
o Moved to Jackson, TN, August 15-29, and duty there till October. 
o Medon Station, Mississippi Central Railroad, August 31. 
o Chewalla and Big Hill October 5. 
o Medon Station October 10. 
o Moved to Corinth with McPherson and to Jackson October 14. 
o To Lagrange November 2. 
o Grant's Central Mississippi Campaign November 2, 1862, to January 10, 1863. 
o At Memphis, TN January 17-February 21. 
o Moved to Lake Providence, LA February 21, and duty there till April. 
o Moved to Milliken's Bend, LA April 12. 
o Passage of Vicksburg batteries April 22 (Detachment). 
o Movement on Bruinsburg and turning Grand Gulf April 25-39. 
o Battle of Port Gibson May 1. 
o Bayou Pierrie May 2. 
o Battles of Raymond May 12.
o Champion Hill May 16. 
o Big Black River Bridge May 17. 
o Siege of Vicksburg, MS, May 18-July 4. 
o Assaults on Vicksburg May 19 and 22. 
o Surrender of Vicksburg July 4.  Provost duty there till June 1864. 
o Stevenson's Expedition from Vicksburg to Monroe, LA, August 20-September 2, 1863. 
o Expedition toward Canton October 14-22. 
o Bogue Chitto Creek October 17. 
o Expedition from Vicksburg to Sunnyside Landing, AR, January 10-16, 1864. 
o Meridian Campaign February 3-March 2. 
o Clinton February 5. 
o Veterans on furlough March to May.  Non-Veterans mustered out June 14, 1864. 
o Veterans at Memphis, TN, and Vicksburg, MS, till July 29. 
o Moved to Morganza, LA, July 29 and duty there till September 3. 
o Moved to mouth of White River, AR, September 3-8 and duty there till October 18. 
o Movement to Memphis and return October 18-30. 
o Moved to Duvall's Bluff, AR, November 9, thence to Memphis, TN, November 28. 
o Consolidated with 11th Regiment Missouri Infantry December 17, 1864.

Regiment lost during service 4 Officers and 52 Enlisted men killed and mortally wounded and 2 Officers and 128 Enlisted men by disease. Total 186. 

Solomon Crye  Army, Infantry Maine
I have applied to Washington for the records of a Solomon Crye, who fought from the state of Maine, Army, Infantry.  However, no records were found.  He is listed in the record books, but nothing showed up in the pension files. 


19th Unassigned Company, Maine Infantry 
Dyer's Compendium contains no history for this unit. 

Continued from the last issue  [ Issue 2   Vol 6 ]
     In previous issues of this publication I began a discussion of the children of John and Catherine Shimmin Crye.  I have been trying to complete sharing information on this family so this article is continued from the previous issue.  In John’s  will he lists his children as William, David, John, James, Isabella, Sarah, Catherine, and Margaret.   An additional son Hugh has been identified to me by LDS researchers but was not mentioned in the will.


William Crye born ca 1755 m/Sarah Higgins/Hagan

Children are:
Catron born 08/27/1780 NC   Mary born 01/20/1794 GA/TN
William Jr born 05/19/1782 SC   John born 06/18/1796 GA/TN
Hugh born 11/05/1784 GA/TN Isabel born 08/10/1798 GA/TN
Mary born  12/08/1786 GA/TN James born 01/07/1801 GA/TN
Joseph born 03/05/1789 GA/TN David born 02/05/1803 GA/TN
Sarah born  09/12/1791 GA/TN Jonathan born   09/07/1806 GA/TN
   David (John, William, David) we will continue to discuss from the previous issue.  As stated earlier, David was married to Elizabeth Tuck and had seven children we know of.  William M.; John Alexander; Sarah Emeline; Hugh H.; Susannah L.; Joseph; and James.

   In the previous issue I did list these children and who they married, along with their children.  In this issue I want to take a closer look at each child of Elizabeth Tuck & David Crye.

   David (John; William; David) and Elizabeth Tuck‘s first child is William M. Crye who married Mary Jane Robinson/Robeson in Blount Co. TN.  Their children were:

#1  Joseph M. m/ Eveline Best

Charlie E. (never married)
Elizabeth J. (never married)
Joseph Leroy (never married)
Edith Inez m/ Lloyd Walker
Vera Lillian m/ Charles F. Hunt
Robert C. m/ Helen Margaret Unk
     Eveline Best died in 1909 and Joseph married Ida McGhee. 
G. Ruth
Kenneth Earl m/ Gladys Irene Carroll
John Kermit (never married)
Roberta “Toby” (never married)
#2  Elizabeth J. m/ William H. Woods
Helen V.
    Elizabeth died in 1917 and William married a Molly Unknown.  They had a daughter Charlotte.

#3.  Mary E. (whom I have no information on).  Can someone share with me who she married or what happened to her?  Thank you.

#4.  Martha V. (also whom I have no information on).  Can you also share with me about her? 

#5.  John R. m/ Roberta R. and moved to Henderson Co. NC. 

Mary E.
Nellie L.
#6.  William Earl m/ Lillian E. Cooper Bryson. 
Mary Frances
William Earl Jr.
Margaret C. 
   David (John; William; David) & Elizabeth Tuck’s second child was John Alexander who married Sallie R. Peterson. 

John Alexander and Sallie Peterson were married in Loudon Co. TN in 1879 and had five children on record.

#1  William Tobias m/ Ninnie Ellen McCollum.

Bessie m/ John David Lands
Jessie Albert m/ Minnie Lands 
 m 2nd / Ada McConkey
Carl (never married)
Annie Mae m/ Gibb Harris
Edith m/ Horace Torbett
Iva m/ Larkin Cook
James Truman (never married)
J. Wilma m/ David Harris
Georgia Ruth m/ Elard Torbett
Johnnie m/ William White
#2  Nannie  (never married)

#3  Robert Ira Lee (never married?)

#4  David Henry m/ Dessie Velver Thompson

Richard H. 
#5  Etta m/ Thomas O’Toole
  m/ 2nd Frank Steztler/Sitzer

   David (John; William; David) & Elizabeth Tuck’s third child was Sarah Emeline.  In the previous newsletter I had not found any information on her, however, I did find land transactions that gave me new information on her life. 

   Marriage records for Cumberland Co. TN were lost prior to 1864 and Sarah Emeline married in 1859/60.  I could not find her.  However after the death of David her father in 1861 and then her mother in 1863 the 1500 acres of land David & Elizabeth had received in a land grant in 1858 had to be dealt with.  In 1868-69 the children met at the court house to deal with the property.  In the following court record I found the identity of Sarah Emeline, and also confirmed that the two younger children James & Joseph were no longer considered in the family leaving me to believe that they had both died prior to 1868.  Please keep in mind that the oldest child, William M. would be the typical child who would inherit the estate, or at least be the one who finalized all the details, however the following document gave us a totally different view of this family line. 

Cumberland Co. Deed book    #      ,    page 134-135
     Know all men by their presents that we, William M. Cry, Hugh H. Cry of Blount County, State of Tennessee and Sarah E. Hasler, William Hasler, Susan J. C. Hyder and Joseph Hyder all of the County of Cumberland and State aforesaid of the first part and John A. Cry of the County of Cumberland and state aforesaid of the second part.  Witnessed that we, the said parties of the first part for and in consideration of the sum of one dollar to us in hand will and truly paid by the said John A. Cry the receipt whereof is hereby acknowledged and in consideration also of the natural love and affection entertained by each of us for the said John A. Cry, do by their presents bargain sell and grant claim unto the said John A. Cry and his heirs and assigns forever all our and each of our right, title, intent claim, and dismiss both at law and in equity as well in possession as in expecting of in and to all that certain tract and parcel of land lying and being in the 5th civil district of Cumberland Co. in the state aforesaid and is bounded as follows to with.....   containing one hundred and eighty two acres, but to be the same more or less with all and singular the heraditaments and appurtenances hereto belonging or in any wise attached to have and to hold the said piece or parcel of land and every part thereof to the said John A. Cry his heirs and assigns forever and we the said parties of the first part for ourselves our heirs and representatives do command with the said John A. Cry his heirs and assigns that the above granted premises are free from all incumbencies made or suffered by us and that we will forever warrant and defend the same to the said John A. Cry against the lawful claims of all persons claiming by through from or under us, but against none other.  In witness whereof we have here unto set our hand and affixed our seal.

   In 1859 David Crye purchased 180 acres in Cumberland from a Calvin & Sarah Crook for $200.00.  It is possible that David sold or deeded the 1500 acres prior to his death, leaving certain tracts to his three living sons.   The remainder of land left after David & Elizabeth’s death may have only amounted to 180 acres.  I really cannot judge what happened without a paper trail.  I do know that Hugh, another of the sons, sold and bought land quite a bit in Cumberland Co. TN during this time frame.  I do think it was his own purchases and sells, not the family farm.

   No other land records were noted where David might have sold additional property between 1858 and 1861 when he died.  No additional records were noted if Elizabeth sold property after David died between 1861 and 1863.  These two tracts of land amount to 362 acres, not 1500, but I think this gives us a clue regarding the final outcome of the original 1500 acres. 

   NOTE:  The Deed Book entry, the land was given over to John A. for their natural love and affection they held for their brother.  Giving the land to John for a dollar and love and affection could have just been the way to get around taxes, or simple legal talk, I am not sure.  The first five children were listed with their spouses, but not the youngest two, James and Joseph.  Speculating that they must not have been alive at the selling of the property in 1868-9.  It is highly possible that they died about the same time as David & Elizabeth 1861-63. 

  In 1866 William M. Crye deeded 182 acres to a woman named Elizabeth Graham for a debt he owed in the amount of $80.00.  I don’t have where he purchased any land, but this note of transfer of property was found.

   John A. and his wife Sally Peterson lived in Loudon and Monroe Co. TN, never in Cumberland, and John died in 1889.  His wife remarried and continued to live in Monroe Co. TN, near Cumberland & Blount.  So, his heirs didn’t appear to inherit the property there. 

 to be continued in the next issue

A possible lead of what happened to certain whole families who seemingly disappeared before the 1880 census.
From the "New York Times" (New York, NY)  18 August 1878, page 1:
Whole Families Swept Away at Grenada
The Death-List Still Long
Peculiarities of the Disease and its Treatment
Twenty-Seven More Deaths at New-Orleans
The Fever Increasing at Vicksburg
Nine Deaths at Memphis
Grenada, Miss., Aug. 17.---
     The story of the fever is quickly told.  One week ago tomorrow morning yellow fever was declared epidemic here by the Board of Health.  Assistance was immediately telegraphed for in the way of experienced yellow fever physicians and nurses.  Special trains were at once dispatched and Monday found three physicians and 30 nurses beside the stricken, ministering with untiring and unselfish devotion; but the demon of the plague had the advantage in the start and the race has been to him.  Picture a town of 2,200 inhabitants reduced in one short week to 200, with only 30 or 40 well ones, and the scene is before you.
     Men who during the late war won a justly earned reputation for bravery and unflinching nerve, upon seeing the first one of their dear ones hurried to the grave, gave up and wept like children. 



An Abstract of the reports made to the Surgeon-General of the Marine Hospital Service. Washington, Aug. 17.

     New Orleans.---Since last report, 471 cases of yellow fever and 121 deaths, making a total of 902 cases and 232 deaths, of which 108 cases and 29 deaths occurred during the 24 hours to noon yesterday.

     Port Eads.---Thirty three cases of yellow fever and five deaths during the week to yesterday evening. 

     Grenada, Miss.---The first case of yellow fever occurred July 25. To noon yesterday there had been 125 cases and 47 deaths. 

     Mobile.---One death from yellow fever yesterday--a colored woman--who, it is reported, had been on an excursion to Biloxi, Miss., July 24.

EDITOR'S NOTE:    This piece goes on with reports from Cincinnati, Memphis, Vicksburg, Havana, Cardenas and Sagua la Grande, Cuba, Matanzas, and cholera deaths from Calcutta and Bombay.  The article also includes more information, but has been edited for size.  The epidemic referenced in this article lasted until the first frost in October, which killed the mosquitoes that carried it.  It has been estimated that between 13,000 and 15,000 lives were lost to yellow fever in the Mississippi Valley that year.

    Hi Anita, long time no talk, I have been really busy as per usual with my life I do not know if you remember me I was the one looking for William and John Crye.  I live in England and I originally thought that the 2 of them had been in the Army.  We were told that William had hit an officer and jumped ship and ended up in England.  We now have 2 photos of John aged 71 and William looks in his teenage years.  Both are dressed in Naval uniforms and the back of the photos says Annapolis, which I have now found, is where the Navy recruited from.  Can you give me some advice as to how to follow this up?
 Many thanks, Gill        

Now for a quick reminder, William was born in 1860? correct, so this would put the photo taken about 1880 in Maryland?  Am I correct on the dates?  Yes!!

   Hi Anita, You may remember I contacted you by email some time ago about John and William Crye. I have changed my email and can be contacted on the from now on.  I have more information and wanted to pass it on to you in case you have any info on the John I have here.
   I have got hold of two photos. 1. John Crye a man dressed in the uniform of a seaman in a studio, he has a full white beard and on the back it says ' for Mrs. Hunter, taken 10th June 1870 John Crye aged 71 years 5 months and 20 days'. It is photographed by F.H. Hopkins Main Street ANNAPOLIS MN. He was born we think 21.12.1798.
   The second photo is of a younger man dressed the same in the same studio and says on the back ' for Mrs. Lizzie Hunter then under that it reads Billy Fats ??? and on the side of the photo it reads wife.  It is by the same photographer.
   I have hoped to get so much information from these photos and its took so long to get them.  I have to say I do not seem any further on with my search than two years ago.  If you have any clues to solve my problem I would be grateful. Thanks Pam

Every time I look up Crye and etc I always find a part of my line missing.  I can trace it back to John Crye > William Crye > James Crye >James Hawkins Crye > Levi Crye > James Hawkins Crye (2nd Hawkins - my grandfather) and that’s were it stops. The record always show that the 2nd James Hawkins was married to a woman named Ronnie, which he was, but this would have been his 2nd marriage.  He was also married to a woman named Jean Noble (my grandmother) in Carnegie OK and they had a few children - James Floyd Crye (my father) and he had me - James Floyd Crye Jr - and I have my boy - James Thomas Crye (2yrs old). Thanks for reading. Jim Crye