THE SCOTCH-IRISH 1717 to 1775
| A few years back I rented a book from the
Hoenstine Rental Library in Holidaysburg, PA 16648, (414 Montgomery Street).
The book is titled: "The Scotch-Irish of Colonial Pennsylvania", and it
was written by Wayland F. Dunaway about 1944. It appears that it
was copyrighted by the University of North Carolina Press. It's a
good book to put on your list.
I can only HOPE that it is normal for persons,
from inland areas, to assume that once we have determined our eldest known
ancestor as being from a COASTAL BORDERING STATE, such as NC or VA or SC,
that they landed on the coast-line of that state and proceeded to move
WEST. Well, at least that's what I thought. My COMMON SENSE suggested that
when the ships left Europe in those very early days of yesteryear, they
"AIMED" them West towards America and praised GOD if they "crashed" on
dry land (no matter where it was). I guess I didn't give those ship captains
enough credit for being able to control their point of entry or landing
(call it ignorance or whatever you wish).
The 1st wave 1717-1718 (many hundreds of ships arrived)... 2nd wave 1727-1729 (even greater in number)".
Pennsylvania was their favorite Colony, however, the coastline area was already over-populated, in their opinion, so they had to settle West of Philadelphia in Lancaster County (about 45 miles). No doubt some had arrived earlier and were in Philadelphia and New Jersey and Maryland, Mass, NY and everywhere else, but again we're talking about the "bulk" of the Scotch-Irish.
(NOTE this is where the Crye’s were)
In the 1720's & 30's they spread West towards what is now the Cumberland Valley and probably a few even dared to cross the mountains farther West toward what is today Pittsburgh. There were ill feelings between the Germans camps and the Irish camps in Pennsylvania around 1740 and many a riot took place during election times. I quote from the book - "As a result the Penns instructed their agents in 1743 to sell no lands to the Scotch-Irish throughout this region, but to make them generous offers of removal to the Cumberland Valley, farther to the Westward". When they reached the foothills of the Alleghenies their movement was "checked" for awhile by the mountain barrier and their migration was deflected even further South into the Maryland and what is today called West Virginia.
The beginning migration of the IRISH "inside" America was to the Cumberland Valley between 1720 & 1730. The early offers of removal to the Cumberland Valley were so liberal, many of the Scotch-Irish accepted them, and all the more readily as they were inclined to be "clannish" and were glad to remove to a district that they could call their own. Many of them had been merely squatters on the land they occupied and, having no legal titles to it, found it of no great hardship to remove to a beautiful and fertile section.
They also were beginning to be hedged in by increasing numbers of Germans on all sides and they were finding themselves in an uncongenial environment. Other Scotch-Irish families, however, of the Lancaster County area, were more deeply entrenched and were not as easily persuaded to give up their rights to the land on which they lived. As some of the Scotch-Irish were moving out of the Lancaster County PA area, the Germans and the English were moving in, expanding their claims to the westward.
Such was the first phase of the Scotch-Irish settlement in Pennsylvania, extending from the Delaware to the Susquehanna and from the Susquehanna to the Alleghenies.
and then... "On to Virginia"
When the "Valley of Virginia" opened up for settlement, beginning in the mid 1730's, the clannish Irish moved forward once again, to these un-populated areas in masses. Land in the "Borden Grant" and the "Beverly Grant" in Virginia was mostly bought by the Irish of Pennsylvania, founding towns like Staunton, Lexington and Fincastle (along about a 90 mile stretch). By the early 1740's a steady stream of IRISH were pouring out of Pennsylvania and into the Valley of Virginia.
Your money during these times would buy you 3 times as much land in Virginia as it would in Pennsylvania. Then too I assume that the plantations owners would like for the Irish to move to the frontier to cushion them from Indian attacks.
The hardy-stock of the Scotch-Irish clan appeared nearly always to be on the leading edge of the migratory movement. As Pioneers, they were the advance guard blazing the trail through the wilderness far out on the frontier. They were the first line of defense against the savages, bearing the brunt of the Indian wars, and courageously enduring the hardships of pioneer life.
"During the 1740's the swelling tide of emigration gathered force and rolled ever farther Southward and Westward. It should be said that it is not claimed that ALL persons in the Valley of Virginia were Scotch-Irishmen & immigrants from Pennsylvania, or elsewhere in the colony for that matter, but only that a MAJORITY of them were".
from there... "Into North Carolina"
Again, quoting from the book... "The emigration of Pennsylvanians into North Carolina beginning about 1740 and getting well under way by 1750, continued in an increasing stream until the Revolution. Composed of Scotch-Irish, Germans, and smaller numbers of English and Welsh Quakers, it added a substantial element to the population of that colony. The Scotch-Irish were the LARGEST SINGLE GROUP in this immigration". Some came from Pennsylvania to Virginia
and then... "On to North Carolina"
Governor Tyron reported, "In 1764 alone, over a thousand immigrant IRISH wagons have passed through Salisbury NC".
"The Pennsylvania contingent occupied a large area between the Catawba and the Yadkin. The Scotch-Irish settled in large numbers in the North Carolina Counties of Granville, Orange, Rowan, Mecklenburg, Guilford, Davidson, and Cabarrus, and also in the extreme northwestern limits of the colony. The Carolina Piedmont commonly involved two or three generations of Scotch-Irish and German pioneers, each new generation moving on a journey further into the wilderness. The area was fed from many sources, the MAIN STREAM flowing from Pennsylvania through the Valley of Virginia, while the LESSER streams of persons began at the ports of Charleston and Wilmington. The Scotch-Irish tended to follow the Valleys towards the mountains and their Pennsylvania German counterparts settled somewhat to the East of them - and then…
"On to South Carolina"
"The emigration of the Pennsylvania Scotch-Irish to South Carolina was likewise considerable but this time they were not accompanied by their German Brethren, except perhaps a handful. Although some Scotch-Irishmen entered South Carolina through the port of Charleston, the MAJORITY of them came by the route through Virginia and North Carolina". Their first settlement was in the uplands known as the "Waxhaws" and "the Long Canes". Five or six families arrived on the Waxhaw in May 1751. It started in earnest in the 1760's and continued until the Revolution".
The Scotch-Irish immigrants spread widely throughout the Uplands of South Carolina, settling in considerable numbers in the present counties of Lancaster, York,Chester, Union, Fairfield, Newberry, Abbelville, and Edgefield. Others settled in and around Spartanburg.
I think we will find that at least HALF of the residents of Virginia were first in PA (or at least their ancestors were) in the early 1700's (be they IRISH, GERMAN, ENGLISH, WELSH or whatever). I would imagine that the great deal of the "friction" between the different races of people during these very early years of settlement was caused by the "language" barrier (isn't ironic that we still have that problem today). As time went on and the Germans and French and others starting speaking English they began to communicate among the other groups, the hostilities began to subside and there developed a relationship between all AMERICANS.
I would guess that the same migration pattern of the Scotch-Irish would hold true to many other races or groups making their way West during the early years of this country.
SO, in closing, when someone tells you, or you see it written, that your earliest "known" ancestor bought land in NC, there still is a good chance that "their" ancestors may have first came through VA via PA. Of course, it would be dependant on what year things were happening. The lack of substantial records makes it very difficult to prove a lot of things, but the possibility should be pursued. David G. Moore - Indiana
NOTE: This article is very important in tracking the travels of John Crye & Catherine Shimmon’s family from Chester Co., PA into Mecklenburg Co., NC on to South Carolina and back.
HAWN, SAM H. – 74, of Harriman, passed away on Wednesday, March 14, at the James H. Quillen V.A. Medical Center in Johnson City. He was a retired sprinkler fitter superintendent and a member of the Sprinkler Fitter Union Local 669 for over 35 years. He was also a member of Southgate Lodge #569 F&AM, Scottish Rite of Freemasonry of Knoxville, Shriners Temple of Chattanooga, and American Legion Post #53 of Harriman. He was a member of Bible Baptist Church in Harriman. Mr. HAWN was preceded in death by his parents, TIM and CORA FREELS HAWN; five brothers; and five sisters. He is survived by his wife: NORMA JEAN HAWN; a son and daughter-in-law, DAVID C. and BEVERLY HAWN of McEwen, Tenn.; a daughter, KAREN JEAN CRYE of Knoxville; a grandson, CLAY HAWN of McEwen; a granddaughter, KRISTEN CRYE of Knoxville; and a sister, REBA ROSE of Oak Ridge. Funeral services were held at Davis Funeral Home in Harriman on Friday, March 16, at 8 p.m., with Rev. KENNETH STUBBS officiating. Graveside services were held on Saturday, March 17, at 1 p.m. in the Hawn Family Cemetery in Robbins. Davis Funeral Home in Harriman was in charge of arrangements. (Source: Scott County News, Vol. 84, No. 21, 22 Mar 2001, p12)
Monroe Co. TN
NAME BIRTH DEATH CEMETERY
Crye, David Mar 27, 1886 Sep 6, 1951 Consaguie Hill
Husband [of Dessie V. Crye]
Crye, Dessie V. Sep 13, 1897 Oct 4, 1967 Consaguie Hill
Wife [of David Crye]
Crye, Ida McGhee 1881 1972 Old City
[Spouse Jo. M. Crye]
Crye, Jo. M. Oct 15, 1868 Feb 21, 1929 Old City
[Spouse Ida McGhee Crye]
Crye, John Kermit 1916 1938 Old City
Crye, Leroy Sep 14, 1895 Jul 5, 1933 Old City
Crye, Minnie Lands Aug 5, 1901 Aug 8, 1924 Notchey Creek
Crye, Willie Mae (Peggy) age 84 of Lenoir City passed away Friday, June 28, 2002 at the Loudon Health Care Center. Peggy was a member of Highland Park Baptist Church. Retired from the Dept. of Air Force.
In previous issues of this publication I began a discussion of the children of John and Catherine Shimmin Crye. I have been trying to complete sharing information on this family so this article is continued from the previous issue. In John’s will he lists his children as William, David, John, James, Isabella, Sarah, Catherine, and Margaret. An additional son Hugh has been identified to me by LDS researchers but was not mentioned in the will.
(from web search of Crye)
|Wednesday, January 29, 1879|
|Matrimony still prospers. On the 21st inst., by Rev. R.L. Jenkins, at his home, Mr. Johnston Russell to Miss. Mary J. Carver. May they live long and be happy. We also learn that Mr. George Crye, in the lower end of the county, took to himself Miss. Sallie Peterson, daughter of Bias Peterson, to be his wife. Hurrah for the old bachelors!||
|Cry, Jeffery died 1998 CO
Cry, Sarah died 1999 CA
Cry, Lorraine H. died 2000 TN
Cry, Wallace H. died 2000 TN
Crye, Chris L. died 1998
Crye, Jimmie L. died 1998 TN
Crye, Joe R. died 1998 OH
Crye, Leonard F. died 1998 NC
Crye, Lillian . died 1998 TX
Crye, Mittie M died 1998 LA
|Crye, Horace P. died 1999 LA
Crye, Thomas C. died 1999 TN
Crye, Arnell died 2000 TN
Crye, Floy died 2000 AR
Crye, James died 2000 TN
Crye, Leona died 2000 TN
Crye, Lewis died 2000 AL
Crye, Lillis died 2000 CA
Crye, Mamie died 2000 TN
Crye, Duane died 2001 GA
|Crye, Edna died 2001 GA
Crye, Edna died 2001 LA
Crye, Fay died 2001
Crye, Hazel died 2001 TN
Crye, Hershal died 2001 GA
Crye, Jack died 2001 KY
Crye, Lewis died 2001
Crye, Pearl died 2001 TX
Crye, JoAnn died 2002
Crye, Willie died 2002 TN
|Albert Bailey Crye
S1C US NAVY
Served from 1944-1946
Born 1824 died 1994
Ft. Sam Houston National Cemetery
|Charlie Barnes Crye
PVT US ARMY
Served from 1945-1946
born 1913 died 1979
Riverside National Cemetery
|Aurelia L. Crye
Born 1916 died 1996
Dayton National Cemetery
(wife of Joseph M. Crye)
AD1 US NAVY
PVT Confederate States Army
Born ???? Died 1863
Finn’s Point National Cemetery
|Joseph M. Crye
AD1 US NAVY
Served from 1941-1945
Born 1918 died 1992
Dayton National Cemetery
|John Henry Cry
SGT US Marine Corps
Born 1919 died 1970
New Bern National Cemetery
|Dorothy Marie Cry
Born 1911 died 1986
Chattanooga National Cemetery
Wife of Wallace H. Crye, Jr
|Juanita M. Cry
Born 1925 died 1992
Jefferson Barracks National Cemt.
wife of Ly Curgus Cry
Born ??? Died 1909
|Wallace H. Cry, Jr.
1ST SGT US Army
Service date 1942-1945
Born 1904 died 2000
Chattanooga National Cemetery
John and Catherine Brew Crye
(parents of John Shimmon Crye, page 7)
LettersUnion Co., NC William Henderson Morris married Luticia Moore on July 22, 1875. Luticia was the daughter of James Moore and Catherine Cry Carnes (Catherine was from Lancaster, SC).
I am looking for more information on William Henderson Morris. I know nothing beyond him. I have been told that he also served in the Confederate army. Any help would be appreciated. firstname.lastname@example.org
Sorry it has taken me so long, but I wanted to exhaust all possible avenues to find what you wanted. Catherine Moore did not have an obituary listed in the newspaper, but here is what I did find and will document where I found it for future reference.
*Record Source: Putman Funeral Home Records
Name: Catherine Moore White Female
Widow Age: 86
Died: March 19, 1912 Buried: March 20, 1912
Born in: South Carolina
Last known address: 410 North #8th Street, Fort Smith, Arkansas
Cause of death: Paralysis (was probably due from a stroke)
Physician: Dr. Hugh Johnson
Buried at: Oak Cemetery
Cost of funeral: $33.00
Paid for by a D. F. Moore of Russellville, Arkansas.
(Catherine Crye/Carnes Moore is the mother of Luticia Moore)