Crye-Cry
Family Newsletter
ISSUE 1
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 VOL 7
January/February/March
agcrye@bellsouth.net 
2003

 
January  2003
“WINTER”
     Greetings.  I trust you are still doing research and enjoying what you are finding.  I have been, once again, delayed in working on our history, thereby making the newsletters later and later.  My apologies to all.  It just seems like there aren’t enough hours in the day at times.

     I am making an all out effort to tie in the family lines I have.  Some new information from the internet has helped and some family information from individuals has also helped put a lot into perspective.  I have been really interested in the Winfield Scott Crye in Arkansas, and a David & Celia Crye found in 1870 in Bradley Co. TN.  So far, Winfield Scott has proven easier to trace than David & Celia.

     I have taken on a new computer program and hope you are able to enjoy a new look to the newsletters.  I can say this new format is easier for me to coordinate but the hope is that you cannot actually tell a difference except for the graphics.  That is one thing I had such difficulty getting into the older version of my program.  With the new graphics I hope to break up some of the reading thereby making the newsletter as a whole more enjoyable and readable.  Possibly you will be able to concentrate on the information better without it being so cumbersome with the writing.  At least, that is my goal.

     Good wishes to you all for a Happy New Year, prosperous hunting for family lines, health and happiness to us all.  Wish me luck and contact me.  I would love to know how you are doing.
Connecting the dots…..Anita

 
 

CHRISTMAS IN 1749-1750
Pennsylvania

     The following two articles, page 2 and 3, relate a little of what was seen in Pennsylvania about the time our ancestors arrived in that state.  I thought this would be interesting to read and get a true feel of life during that time.  In the previous issue I gave a detailed account of the migration of our ancestors.  Traveling, settling, making a life, and generally just living wasn’t easy during that time.  I hope you enjoy this insight into our ancestor’s lives.
 

This scene is described by Peter Kalm,
a Swede who visited Philadelphia in 1749.

On Christmas Day he wrote

The following is from a Winterthur cook book and I thought it interesting.

It is from a journal written by Peter Kalm, a Swedish traveler in the colonies, and is a description of Christmas Day 1750, in Philadelphia.

   "Nowhere was Christmas Day celebrated with more solemnity than in the Roman Church.  Three sermons were preached there, and that which   contributed  most  to the splendor of the ceremony was the beautiful music heard to-day. . . . Pews and altar were decorated with branches of mountain laurel, whose leaves are green in winter time and resemble the (cherry laurel).  Lavender, rose petals, and pungent herbs such as rosemary and bay were scattered throughout the churches, providing a pleasant holiday scent.  Scented flowers and herbs were chosen partially because they were aromatic and thus were considered an alternative form of incense.  The Reverend George Herbert, an Anglican clergyman from Maryland, urged "that the church be swept, and kept clean without dust, or cobwebs, and at great festivals strewed, and stuck with boughs, and perfumed with incense."
     Peter Kalm noted that the Quakers completely dismissed the celebration of Christmas in Philadelphia.  He made another interesting observation about the Presbyterians as well. He wrote in his diary:
      "Christmas Day. . . .The Quakers did not regard this day any more remarkable than other days.  Stores were open, and anyone might sell or purchase what he wanted. . . .There was no more baking of bread for the Christmas festival than for other days; and no Christmas porridge on Christmas Eve!  One did not seem to know what it meant to wish anyone a merry Christmas. . . .  first the Presbyterians did not care much for celebrating Christmas, but when they saw most of their members going to the English church on that day, they also started to have services."
     "Today, Christmas Day, was celebrated in the city, but not with such reverence as it is in old Sweden.  On the evening before, the bells of the English Church rang for a long time to announce the approaching Yuletide.  In the morning, guns were fired off in various parts of the town.  People went to church, much in the same manner as on ordinary Sundays, both before and after dinner.  This took place only in the English, Swedish and German churches.  The Quakers did not regard this day more remarkable than other days…
     Nowhere was Christmas celebrated with more solemnity than in the Roman Church."  In Philadelphia, at least, people of other faiths attended the special Christmas services in the Catholic church - largely because of the musical program.  As a naturalist, Kalm delighted in pointing out that the church was decorated with fresh branches of mountain laurel "whose leaves are green in winter time."  The English  traditionally decorated their churches with evergreens during Yuletide, a practice limited to the established church and definitely not followed among the dissenting congregations."
   I thought this fascinating, and had no idea that folks of different religions would ever attend the services of another faith, particularly that Protestants would attending Catholic services.   THE END

     In reading the previous pages I am made aware so much more of what and who my ancestors were.  I thought you might be able to see  a little closer into their lives by reading these articles.     Anita

UNAVALIBLE CENSUS INFO

1790 (First Census of the United States) - No schedules are known to exist for Delaware, Georgia, Kentucky, New Jersey, Tennessee, and Virginia; apparently they were destroyed during the British attack on Washington during the War of 1812.

The 1790 schedules for Virginia were reconstructed from state enumerations.

1800 - Schedules survive for 13 states. Lost schedules include those for Georgia, Indiana Territory, Kentucky, Mississippi Territory, New Jersey, Northwest Territory, Virginia, Tennessee, and Alexandria County, District of Columbia. Some of the schedules for these states have been re-created using tax lists and other records.

1810 - Schedules exist for 17 states.  There was, however, a district wide loss for District of Columbia, Georgia, Indiana Territory, Mississippi Territory, Louisiana Territory (MO), New Jersey and Tennessee. Partial losses included Illinois Territory, which had only two counties (Randolph is extant, St. Clair is lost.), and OH, all lost except Washington County.  Some of the schedules for these states have been re-created using tax lists and other records.

1820 - There was a district wide loss for Arkansas Territory, Missouri Territory and New Jersey. Partial losses included half the counties in Alabama, and roughly 20 eastern Tennessee counties supervised by the Federal Court District out of Knoxville.  Some of the schedules for these states have been re-created using tax lists and other records.

See: Research in Census Records, The Source: A Guidebook of American Genealogy by Loretto Dennis Szucs; edited by Loretto Dennis Szucs and Sandra Hargreaves Luebking (Salt Lake City, UT:  Ancestry Incorporated, 1997).

William Dollarhide, The Census Book: A Genealogist's Guide to Federal Census Facts, Schedules and Indexes, Heritage Quest: Bountiful, UT, 2000.


 
     The following article was taken from the internet.  Because our ancestors fall into this description, this will give you a clearer picture of who you are.

The Scots-Irish From Ulster and The Great Philadelphia Wagon Road
Information provided by Brenda E. McPherson Compton

The Great Philadelphia Wagon Road is the story of the Scots-Irish settlement in America. North America remained a green wilderness for nearly 150 years. There were only trails cut thorough the forest which spread from New Hampshire to Georgia. The Appalachian Mountains was a stern barrier between the Atlantic and the unknown interior of the continent. The settlers moved inland, and followed paths of the which the Indians had hunted and traded, many of these trails were worn down by the buffalo which once roamed the uplands in search for food. These paths followed valleys and river shores, extended southward to the Carolinas. This movement of families, individuals and communities from one place to another has been the shaping of history. 

In the eighteenth century migrations few trails in America weren’t more important than the Indian route, which extended to east of the Appalachians from Pennsylvania to Georgia. This Ancient Warriors Path had long been used by the Iroquois tribesmen of the north to come to the south and trade or to make war in Virginia and the Carolinas. By a series of treaties with the powerful Five Nations of the Iroquois, the English acquired the use of the Warriors Path. After 1744 they took over the land itself. The growth of the route into the principal highway of the colonial back country is important in the development of the nation. Over this vast wagon road came the English, the Scots-Irish and the German settlers to claim land. The Great Warriors Path led from the Iroquois Confederacy around the Great Lakes through what later became Lancaster and to Bethlehem, Pennsylvania to York, to Gettysburg, into the western Maryland around what is now known as Hagerstown, across the Potomac River at Evan Watkins Ferry following the narrow path across the "back country" or "up country" or "Piedmont" to Winchester through the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia to Harrisburg, Staunton, Lexington, Roanoke to Salem, North Carolina, to Salisbury, where it was joined by the east–west Catawba and Cherokee Indian Trading Path to at the Trading Ford across the Yadkin River, in Rowan, North Carolina, thence to Charlotte, to Rock Hill, South Carolina where it branches to take two routes to Augusta, and Savannah, Georgia.

The Scots – Irish who poured into America from Ulster were middle class farmers and craftsmen who came from poor rural counties of Northern Ireland where English rule had grown increasingly severe and where the 1740 famine in Ulster hastened their departure.  They were nearly all Presbyterians. Arriving in Philadelphia, they made their way westward to Lancaster and Harrisburg, thence south over the Warriors Path towards the cheaper lands of Virginia, crossing the Potomac by Watkins Ferry.  Wherever they settled they started schools, churches and preached.  The Scots - Irish that came to the Colonies were the best educated of the immigrated groups.  At the time of the Revolution there were 600,000 Scots-Irish in America and their literary level was the highest it had ever been.  As pioneers, the Scots - Irish proved their mettle and arrived when the Colonists needed them.  There was little mingling of the people of different nationalities even with people in the communities.  The Scots who was transplanted in the Colonies did not intermarry with the English or the Irish catholic. When they came to the Colonies and established their early churches, the Scots did not intermarry with the English or the Palatine neighbors for two generations.  The goal of the Scots was to obtain lands, but for the Scot-Irish not necessarily to own it.  A common grievance against these Scots colonial authorities was their habit to squatting on the land and not taking claim to it officially.  This action supplies one reason why the expected deed records that would prove the migration.  Many Scots farmers lacked the skills or the money to adhere to the traditional Ulster way which combined cropping with herding, and hunting and did not require large amounts of the best land and invited the movement as the land and the game wore out.  The settlers from Ulster were restless and moved down the Great Philadelphia Wagon Road.
Later Development of the Wagon Road.

As it had been done in Pennsylvania, the Great Wagon Road in the Carolinas and Virginia forced the Indians to move further westward.  Riding along the Great Wagon Road in the decade before the American Revolution, visitors from Europe expressed amazement at the rapid growth of the interior.  Stretched from Philadelphia to Georgia were endless farms, punctuated by an occasional fort, tavern, or village.  By 1765 the Wagon Road was cleared for horse drawn vehicles.  To maintain the road, County Courts appointed overseers and viewers, who were responsible for the keeping up with the segments of through fair at the County expense.  Packhorse trains vied with wagons as carriers of the frontiers goods, a rider on the lead horse led as many ten to twelve horses in procession, the belled bridle of each being attached to the saddle, of the preceding horse, each horse being equipped to carry up to six hundred pounds.  Besides wagoners and packhorses drivers, the Great Wagon Road was swamped in the summer with drivers that smelled like a barnyard, leading and driving livestock to market, aided by shepherd dogs.  Entire families road horseback along the road to settle a new farm or found a new church.  The Great Philadelphia Wagon Road grew larger and longer, and so did the Conestoga Wagon, ultimately reaching the length of twenty-six feet and a height of eleven feet. In the early days the Wagon Road was the market for livestock, however the growth of the market towns in Virginia and in the Carolinas gradually diminished the drovers journeys to the City of Brotherly love.  The towns that had been way stations for travelers became trading centers; Lancaster, Winchester, Salisbury, and Camden.  Few passes cut through the Appalachians and those observed by dense growth of pines and hardwoods which covered the mountain faces.  These passes were known to the Indians who found them by observing the course in which the Eagles followed across the mountains; these Scots were slow to find these gaps.  The thrift of the Scot- Irish was proverbial; it has been said the Scot- Irish kept the Commandments of God------ and everything else they could get their hands on.  The Philadelphia Wagon Road would grow with the years becoming in our lifetimes a part of the interstate highway system.

To be continued in next issue

Continued from the last issue  [Issue 4   Vol 6]

JOHN CRYE
and
MARGARET CATHERINE SHIMMIN

     In previous issues of this publication I began a discussion of the children of John and Catherine Shimmin Crye.  I have been trying to complete sharing information on this family so this article is continued from the previous issue.  In John’s  will he lists his children as William, David, John, James, Isabella, Sarah, Catherine, and Margaret.   An additional son Hugh has been identified to me by LDS researchers but was not mentioned in the will.

WILLIAM CRYE  and  SARAH HAGINS CRYE

William Crye born ca 1755 m/Sarah Higgins/Hagan

Children are:
Catron born 08/27/1780 NC   Mary born 01/20/1794 GA/TN
William Jr born 05/19/1782 SC   John born 06/18/1796 GA/TN
Hugh born 11/05/1784 GA/TN Isabel born 08/10/1798 GA/TN
Mary born  12/08/1786 GA/TN James born 01/07/1801 GA/TN
Joseph born 03/05/1789 GA/TN David born 02/05/1803 GA/TN
Sarah born  09/12/1791 GA/TN Jonathan born   09/07/1806 GA/TN
Child number 11 is David Crye, born in 1803.  Records for this child begin in Blount Co. TN.

David (John, William, David) we will continue to discuss from the previous issue.  As stated earlier, David was married to Elizabeth Tuck and had seven children we know of.  William M.; John Alexander; Sarah Emeline; Hugh H.; Susannah L.; Joseph; and James.

   In the previous issue I did list these children and who they married, along with their children.  In this issue I want to take a closer look at each child of Elizabeth Tuck & David Crye.


   David (John, William, David) and Elizabeth Tuck’s fourth child was Hugh H. Crye.  Hugh married Susan Crisp in Cumberland Co. TN in 1877.

     Hugh H. Crye joined the Civil War and fought for the Union Side.  He enlisted in Blount Co. TN and was a Private in H Co. 4th TN Infantry from April 7 1864—Dec 8, 1865.  This information was taken from the 1890 Civil War Veterans census.  His mail was delivered to a Loudon Post Office. (See military information in Issue 3, Vol 2, Winter 1998)

     I have been told that Hugh’s decision to fight for the Union Army was a tough one because two of the other brothers fought for the Confederate side.  Family lore has it that they never spoke again after the war.  However, I have found no record of another brother fighting for the Confederate or for the Union.  I do feel that the two  younger might have died in the war, the youngest being about 16 when the war ended.  There are no records proving or disproving the younger two Joseph and James served.  Also, I haven’t found where William or John Alexander (Hugh’s older brothers) served.  They were the right military age of 25, but no records have been found.

     Proof that the family fell out over this choice of allegiance also is difficult to accept when you read the sale of land in 1869 after their father died.  Remember, they each signed off on all the property stating in love and admiration for their brother John A.

     Hugh and Susan Crisp Crye had six known children:  Dora A., David Robert, Joseph Harrison and Nathaniel Garfield (twins), Sarah Elizabeth and John Franklin.  With the exception of John Franklin, the youngest son of Hugh H. Crye & Susan Crisp, all the children and their spouses stayed in Eastern Tennessee.  From a previous Newsletter, Issue 3, Vol 5,  I repeat the following found in the Crossville Times, Crossville, Tennessee


January 1900  Dame Fortune has smiled on young David Cry.

     David Cry, son of Uncle Hugh Cry, went to Blount County last month. David is now of age and goes to claim a small  inheritance that awaits him there.  He expects to enter school at either Marysville College or some other point in that county and hopes to continue for two years.  David is an honest and well-behaved young man, and his many friends here are gratified to learn Dame Fortune has smiled on him.
   In 1860 Hugh Crye is found living at home with his parents in Cumberland Co. TN  and lists his occupation as Farmer.  In the 1870 census his parents had died in 1861-1863 and Hugh had already been released from serving in the Civil War.  He is found living in Blount Co. TN with his brother William and wife Mary.  Also found in this household is a Susan S. Crisp, wife or sister to George A. Crisp.  I have wondered what the connection of this George Crisp and Hugh’s future wife Susan might have been.

   The 1880 Census finds Hugh in Blount Co. TN with his wife Susan A age 40, daughter Dora A. and son David R. Crye.  Living next door is Hugh’s brother William Crye.

   The 1900 census finds Hugh back in Cumberland Co. TN listed as a widow and his sons David, Joseph, Nathaniel, & John and daughter Sarah are living with him.  Hugh’s occupation  is listed as farmer.

   Susan A Crye died June 12, 1890 and her obituary listed sons David, Joseph, Nathaniel, and John with a daughter Sarah.  Therefore, Dora A. must have died before 1890.

   1910 finds Hugh living with his youngest daughter Sarah who is now married to James C. Chapman.  They are still in Cumberland Co. TN.

   Susan Crisp and Hugh Crye’s children:

#1  Dora A. (born 1873 & died before 1890)
#2  David Robert (never married)
 See article above.  David died in 1907 and is buried in Cumberland Co. TN.
#3  Joseph Harrison  (twin)
  m/ 1st Lela Allen Henson
Children
Mary Lou
Carrie Lee
    Joseph Harrison
 m/ 2nd Myrtle Rebecca Henson
Children
Mattie M.  m/ Willard Elliott
Harold Houston  m/ Willie Mae Eggerton
Naomi A. m/ Homer Cecil Bright
Josephine Pauline  (died as an infant)
#4  Nathaniel Garfield (twin)
 m/ Laura Lillian Meadows
Children
Joseph M. (Jodie)
Venable Cornell m/ Edna Ball
Marie  m/ Herschall Smith


   Nathaniel died in 1924 and Laura remarried John Noel/Nail in 1928.  The 1930 census of Cumberland Co. TN lists John B. Nail age 52, Laura age 34, Joda M. Cry age 12, V. Cornell age 10 and Marie age 7 as step children living in the home.
 

#5  Sarah Elizabeth m/ James C. Chapman
Children
Unknown
Melrose Hugh
Reed
Laverne  (not found in the 1930 census)
James


   The 1910 Census of Cumberland Co. TN lists James C. Chapman, age 28 married 6 years with two children born, one alive.  His wife is Sarah E. age 26, and Melrose H. son age 3 living in the home.  Also in this household are Hugh Cry father-in-law age 69 widow and brother-in-law Nathaniel Cry age 29.

   The 1920 Cumberland Co. TN census lists J. C. Chapman, wife Lizzie, son Hugh, Reid, and daughter Laverne.  The 1930 census of Cumberland Co. TN only lists Hugh age 29, head, Reed age 15, brother, and James age 6, brother living together.

    Sarah Elizabeth Crye Chapman died in 1929.
 

#6  John Franklin m/ Nancy Etta Daniels
Children
Mildred Laurene m/ Robert Bauer
Helen Audrey m/ Earl Oberdorf
John Franklin Jr m/ Grace Audry Wendell
Ernest Crawford m/ Ida Smith
Cora Marie m/ Eugene Gist
Mary Etta m/ Steve Morris
Kathleen Ann m/ James Saddoris
Charles Edward Sr m/ Nancy Unknown
Shirley Jean
    I have been in contact with descendants of John & Etta who still live in the Ohio area where John Franklin Crye and Nancy Etta Daniels went sometime around 1920-1930 to find work.

   Nancy Etta Daniels and John Franklin Crye died in Toledo, Lucas County, Ohio and are buried in Ottawa Hills Cemetery.  With the exception of Mary, all of their deceased children are there as well.  Cora died in Florida and Mildred in Lansing, Ingham County, Michigan.

   David (John, William, David) and Elizabeth Tuck’s fifth child was Susannah L. Crye.  She married Joseph Hyder before 1865 because in the 1870 Cumberland Co. TN census she is listed  with Joseph and her two sons, John Calvin age 5 and Alfred called “Cork” age 1.

   Susannah is still alive in 1880 with Joseph and her two sons, but by 1900 Joseph is married to a Nancy C. Stephens.  Joseph and Nancy have a daughter in November of 1881 and then a son in 1884.  In 1887 Joseph Hyder marries again to a Chrissie Smith.  Joseph dies in 1927.

   Children of Susannah L. Crye and Joseph Hyder are:
 

#1  John Calvin  m/ Martha Artenia Stevens
 Children
Clarence Baxter
Unnamed Female
Elsa M.


   John Calvin Hyder died in 1918 in Cumberland Co. TN.  He and his wife Martha are found in Cumberland Co. TN census from 1900 - 1930.
 

#2  Alfred m/ Gertrude Deatheridge
Children
Unknown
Edna Grace
Susie E.
Harold Leith
Clarice Mildred
Thurman
Gayle


   Alfred Hyder is found in Cumberland Co. TN also from 1900 - 1930.  Alfred died in 1945.  Joseph Hyder possibly served in the Union Army, 4th TN INF  This would have been the same company as Hugh Crye.

   Rootsweb has a genealogical line on Joseph Hyder, submitted by homemart@ang.com.  I have not corresponded with this person but most of the data I have found on this site has been confirmed by census records and online research.

   The 1900 census lists Joseph's wife as Chrissie, married 36 years, 7 births 2 children alive.  2 kids in the home, Charles 8 and Arthur 8.  The 1920 census list Joseph on page 184 and wife is listed on top of page 195 as Christine.

   I Received a book printout by Betty Cooper, Tennessee Roots Volume 4 on the Hyder Family that listed information regarding Joseph's wives and additional children.  This is where some of my data has come from, along with internet research.  I have had no correspondence with the Hyder family, or Hassler family.

   According to records from online, I have that Nancy married 1st, John T Narramore, 2nd, Thomas J. Forsythe, 3rd Maj. Benjamin Bently, and 4th Joseph Hyder.  (David Crye and his wife Elizabeth, mother to Susannah, Joseph's first wife are buried in the Bently/Crye Cemt in Dorton)

   David (John, William, David) and Elizabeth Tuck’s sixth child was Joseph Crye.  He is listed in the 1850 Cumberland Co. TN  census at age 1 and the 1860 Cumberland Co. TN census as age 12.  By the 1870 census he would have been about 20-22 but I have found no listing for him.  Joseph was not mentioned in the dividing of the land which was done in 1868-69.  Therefore, conclusion here is he died prior to this time.  Possibly about the same time as his parents in 1861 & 1863.

   David (John, William, David) and Elizabeth Tuck’s seventh child was James born in 1851.  He is only listed in the 1860 census and not again.  He would have only been 12 when the Civil War begin and 16 when it ended.  It is possible that he joined and served in the final year and was killed, but no records substantiate his service.  James was not mentioned in the dividing of the land, concluding he died prior to 1869.

to be continued in the next issue

 
 
ASK THE EXPERT
by Jonathan R. Stayer, Head, Reference Section, Pennsylvania State Archives
Q.  My ancestor purchased land in 1771, but I have found no evidence of him prior to the deed.  Where do I go from here?

A.  Try tax records!  When an ancestor's name does not appear in deeds or State land records, you may wish to consult tax records to determine the place of residence or the property holdings of a progenitor.  Taxes have been levied on Pennsylvanians since the beginning of the Commonwealth in the seventeenth century, and they are most complete at the county level.  By tracing a name through the tax records, one might be able determine when an ancestor moved into an area, left a township, married or died.

Although the exact form of the tax records may have varied from year to year, most of them provide such data as the name of the taxable inhabitant (usually male), the number of acres owned by the person and the amount of the assessment or tax.  Also noted may be the taxpayer's occupation, the number of horses and cattle owned, and, occasionally, information about the structures on the property. For each year, most tax records are arranged by county and township.

Within each township, the names of taxable persons commonly are listed in alphabetical order under three categories.  First, you will find the names of married landholders or of their estates.  If a person died within the year prior to the date of the record, the notation "Est." or "Estate" may be made after his name or the widow's name might be given as the taxpayer.  This designation may appear in the tax records for several years after the death of the landholder until the estate no longer was responsible for payment of the taxes on the property. 

Following the names of the landholders, you'll usually find a list of "inmates," or married men who did not own real estate.  At the end of the enumeration for a particular township will be the names of unmarried, single men aged 21 years or older who did not own real estate.  This section often is headed by the designation "freemen."  Such individuals paid an established fee not based on a property assessment.  When you observe that the name of a single man moves from the "freemen" list one year to the landholder list the next, you may assume that the man married within the year.  For the Revolutionary War period, allegiance to the new State government may be indicated by a special notation.

Tax records may date from the formation of a particular county; however, many colonial tax lists are no longer extant.  The originals usually are found at the county courthouse or county historical society, while some records might also be located at a local library or college.  Microfilm copies of many tax lists are available through the library system of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons)- see www.familysearch.org - and in the research room of the Pennsylvania State Archives in Harrisburg (www.phmc.state.pa.us).  To determine the extent of the tax records available at the State Archives, check the "Microfilm" section of Record Group 47, Records of the County Governments, on its website: http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/bah/dam/rg/index.htm.

In Record Group 4, Records of the Office of the Comptroller General, the State Archives holds Tax and Exoneration Lists, 1762-1794 (Series 4.61), relating to taxes collected for State purposes (see 
http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/bah/dam/rg/sd/r4sd.htm#4.61).  Some of these lists were transcribed and published in Volumes 11-22 of the Pennsylvania Archives, Third Series, with an everyname index in Volumes 27-30.  This publication serves as a census substitute for Pennsylvania prior to the first federal census of 1790.  Often called the "1780 Census of Pennsylvania," John and Diane Stemmons compiled c.1780 lists from the Pennsylvania Archives and published them as Pennsylvania in 1780:  A Statewide Index of circa 1780 Pennsylvania Taxlists (Salt Lake City, UT: Stemmons, 1978).  Recently, Retrospect Publishing (www.RetrospectPublishing.com) scanned all of the tax records transcribed in the Third Series, making them available on CD-ROMs with helpful search tools. 

Because government entities have always been concerned about deriving adequate income from tax collections, tax records often provide a more comprehensive list of men's names than many other records.  For this reason, you can use tax lists to trace ancestors who might otherwise be undocumented.
 

     The purpose for including this article in our newsletter is for help.  I am requesting that someone help me find the paper trail for our John Crye who lived in Pennsylvania, supposedly owning 200 acres where he raised his children (Hugh, William, James, John, Catherine, Sarah, etc…) prior to moving to Mecklenburg Co., NC.  I have been unable to document their stay in Pennsylvania at all.  William states in his Revolutionary War Pension application that he was raised in Lancaster Co. Pennsylvania. 

     If you have any record, paper trail, proof, tax record, or such to help me with this documentation, I am asking for you to contact me via mail to help document this time frame.  Thank you,   Anita

 

 

Families of Hawkins County Tennessee 1786-1994

    The following lists all the surnames found in "Families of Hawkins County Tennessee 1786-1994," published by the Hawkins County Genealogical & Historical Society, PO Box 429, Rogersville, TN.  The book is no longer in print. It was transcribed by Darryl Gardner and permission was granted by him and the Society to use this on the Hawkins County Genealogy Page.
Cruze, Crye, Cudding, Cue, Culbertson, Cullen, Cummings

     I do know that John Crye, son of John & Catherine Shimmon Crye was listed on a deed disagreement with a Daniel Adams in 1799, Washington Co. TN, (near Hawkins Co.).  This was the upper right hand corner of Tennessee which was Indian Territory prior to 1800.


 
Letters
Beverly McElroy

Anita:

     My Mary McElroy King was suppose to have ended up in the Claiborne Parish, LA. area according to another researcher and I am sure her mother was Mary Crye that I have been referring to belonging to David Crye of N.C. but I have not proven that for a fact.
     Mary McElroy King was in Murray County, GA. then she showed up (probably for a visit only) in December of l850 and was on census there in St. Francis Co. AR with her father and stepmother and other siblings and some of her children.  Many of her children stayed on with the McElroy's and I know that at least 2 of them married and lived in or near the McElroy community near Wynne, AR.  I believe I found her and husband Robert King in Claiborne Parish LA in the l860 or l870 census.  I do not recall which it was; but did not find anything more on them than that one census page.
     I believe that her half brother Darling B. McElroy (one that lived with her and husband in l850 July census time Murray Co. GA) also ended up in Louisiana but have not proven that.  He was one that was hard to learn much about as was his youngest half brother Licurgus (my husband's ggreatgrandfather) I guess it is not too bad considering John had l5 children and I have learned a lot about l2 of the l5 and some on Mary but very little on Darling B. and not a lot on my Licurgus.
     I know that he was about l5 when Papa John died and his mother Mary Stevenson McElroy died when he was about 9 or so.  At l5 big brother John C. (half brother) was appointed his guardian.  I still have not found him any place in l870 and by l876 he was married and had a son and then had another son in l878 and later on by l882 had a daughter that died by age of 3.  I have no marriage records; nor census records for him other than when he was 9 years old in l860 in St. Francis County (now Cross County)  I only have the l870 census for his wife, Emily Nelson McElroy, when she was l5 years old living with a married sister in Alabama.
     Family records are far and few between on both of them so have not been able to establish exactly where they lived or what he did for a living or anything like that but they both died very young:  Both were in their 30's so do not know what happened other than they had the two boys that were very, very close and were all their lives and they lived in Independence Co. AR. till moving to TX. about 1920. Both stayed there and both are buried in the Hardeman County, TX Cemetery in Quanah, TX.

Beverly.

If you can help me identify this family, please do so.  Soon we will begin a discussion of David Cryes from North Carolina and Georgia.
Anita