Crye-Cry
Family Newsletter
ISSUE 1
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 VOL 9
January/February/March
agcrye@bellsouth.net 
2005

January 2005
“WINTER”

    Well, a new year.  I have really been working trying to get caught up on the back request for help, and connecting family lines long forgotten about.  Some times I get lost in the backlog, but today I am more on top of it all.  Maybe this is because I have had a few days off to work continuously on our history.
    In my most recent move I really didn’t have the time to place all my paperwork in order before packing it, so, I kind of lumped it in one box, which revealed a mess when I tried to sort through it all.  Some nights I spend the whole evening just printing information off the Internet, giving me plenty of information, but many loop holes to where it belongs.  Today is no different.  I have about 12 inches of paper stacked here in front of me from where I have printed it from sites I have found, but logging it all in and connecting it to people is a more difficult task.  Most weeks I would love to have just one day to work diligently on my computer and family research.  However, time for research is coming in spurts now, an evening here, a lunch break here and so on.  With grandchildren, a growing church, and time with my mom, well, you understand I know.
    With three grandchildren to have shared Christmas and the Holidays with, I feel blessed this year.  I know each of us make resolutions and usually plan a different path for the New Year, but this year I am just thankful.  Thankful that I have been able to come back close to my mom and my roots.  Thankful for my son and his son, along with Jennifer coming to the house for the Holidays.  My daughter and her husband Kris with their two little girls, Rose and Maney coming to watch the tree, share gifts, and once again renew our Christmas traditions:  reading the story, opening the gifts, punch and crackers, mom videotaping, the laughter, the smiles, fudge, and love.
     With my son being 29 this year, I felt like life had taken a definite turn in our family, so I gave my children some of their past.  Baby blankets, old photographs, ornaments they had made, and toys long forgotten.  It was wonderful to pass the past into the future.  I need to print all my research findings for them too.  Maybe next year will be the time for that.
     My research is truly coming to modern times.  All the data I am currently collecting begins about 1940, which is a little scary because even though that is about 75 years ago, many records are unavailable for research for the past 75 years.  I have much more success with about 150 year old records than I do for such current families.
     Happy New Year, and may we all find what we are looking for.  Until Spring,…..

Connecting the Dots                  Anita


DEFINITIONS OF SOME WORDS USED IN EARLY DOCUMENTS (1700s & 1800s)

Some words have many meanings; listed here are the definitions that pertain to wills, 
deeds, land patents & inventories.  All words listed here were found in these documents.

let out....To lease or rent out

lett suit....One document refers to "lett suit trouble" meaning trouble with the ownership of the property (not wishing to have any)

levy.... To arrange (a fine) in settlement of a suit to establish title to land

livery of seizin ....The putting of a person in corporal possession of a freehold by performing some ceremony before witnesses which clearly places the party in possession

manumit.... To set at liberty, free; to release from slavery

manumission.... Set free; being freed from slavery

moiety.... A half; one of 2 equal parts; as moiety of an estate

noggin.... A small mug or cup

nuncupative.... To declare orally; oral-not written: especially of Wills outcry A public auction

pence.... Monetary unit of Great Britain; 12 pence equals 1 shilling, 240 pence equals 1 pound.

peremption.... A defeat; a quashing; non suit

peremptorily.... Absolutely, positively; in a decisive manner

pestle.... A club-shaped implement for pounding or grinding, stamping or pressing.

piggin.... A small wooden dipper; also a small wooden pail with a long handle

pole.... A varying unit of length, esp. one measuring 16-1/2 feet

pone.... In old English law, a writ whereby an action pending in an inferior court might be removed for trial to a superior one; a writ whereby a sheriff was ordered to take security of a man for his appearance at a specified time.

porringer.... A small metal vessel for porridge, etc., esp. one for child 

pottle...Formerly a liquid measure equal to a half gallon; a pot or tankard having this capacity 

pound... (£) Monetary unit of Great Britain; equal to 1 sovereign, 20 shillings 

£.s.d.... Librae solide denarii - stands for pounds/shillings/pence. (you will find these symbols at the top of all columns in estate inventories) 

provender... Dry food for livestock; to provide with food; to feed; to fodder 

reap... A small bundle of grain

 



 


OBITUARIES FOUND ON THE INTERNET

William & Sarah Hagins Crye’s son James’ descendants

     Emanuel M. Crye  May 3, 1966  Chattanooga Times
BENTON, TN  -  Emanuel M. (Mannie) Crye, 68, died unexpectedly early Monday morning in an Etowah hospital.
     He was a veteran of World War I, a member of Ocoee Lodge No 212, A&FM and the Benton Methodist Church.  Mr. Crye was a retired hydro plant operator with the Tennessee Valley Authority having been employed at Ocoee No I and Ocoee No II hydro plants.
     Survivors include his wife, Mrs. Leona Oliver Crye; one daughter, Mrs. L. C. Trotter of Athens, TN:  one son, Grady Crye of Benton, four grandchildren and two great grandchildren:  one brother, Charles Crye of Menlo, GA
     Funeral services will be conducted from the Benton Methodist Church on Tuesday at 2 p.m. with the Rev. Clinton Poteet officiating.  Burial will be in Benton Memorial Gardens.  The body will remain at the Higgins Funeral Home until the hour of the funeral.


Leona Oliver Crye, Feb 21, 2000 Chattanooga Times-Free Press
BENTON – Leona Oliver Crye died Saturday, Feb 19, 2000, in an area health care facility.  She was 102.
     Mrs. Crye was born in Jamestown, AL. on Dec 23, 1897, and had resided in Polk Co. TN most of her life.  She was a member of Old Ocoee Baptist Church.  Mrs. Crye was preceded in death by her husband, Emanuel Crye.
     Survivors include one daughter, Bonnie LaFerry, Athens, TN; one son, Grady L. Crye, Benton; and four grandsons.
     The funeral will be today at 3 p.m. at Higgins Funeral Home with the Rev. Steve Linginfelter officiating.  A private burial will be in Benton Memorial Gardens.
     Visitation will be today from 1 to 3 p.m. at the funeral home.


Lewis Crye  Feb 13, 2000 Chattanooga Times Free Press
JAMESTOWN – Lewis H. Crye died Thursday Feb 10, 2000 in an area hospital.  He was 81.
     Mr. Crye was born Feb. 28, 1918 in Jamestown, AL. He was a World War II veteran and a member of VFW Post 6688 and America Legion 160.  Mr. Crye was a former employee of Best Manufacturing.
     Survivors include his wife, Vera Hall Crye; daughter, Ellen Martin, Menlo, GA; two sisters, Ruth Crye, Live Oak, FL and Willie Sue Perry, Miami and a brother Johnie Crye, Alburn, IL.
     The funeral will be today at 2 p.m. at Mason Funeral Home with the Rev. Tommy Pledger officiating.  Burial will be in Moseley Cemetery in Summerville, GA.
 


 

WHAT WAS I THINKING???????

 
      Just three issues earlier I printed an email regarding the family of Ida Emmeline Crye, parents being James Monroe Crye and Mary Lea/Lee Pierce.  I listed who she married and children born to her.  Where she lived and when she died.  Then in Issue 4 Vol 8 page 8, bottom of second column, I make the erroneous statement.  “James Monroe Crye and Josephine Hobbs next child that I have a name for is Emma. (this should have read James Monroe Crye and Mary Lee/Lea Pierce’s next child that I have a name for…) but the next statement is such an error.  I say, “I know she was born in 1886, but haven’t found her again in any records.  I do not know if she married or died.  What a mistake.  She married Noah Collie in 1906, Hubbard, Hill Co, TX.  Please mark your newsletters.  The following is what I have printed earlier.

     It is said there is a "Create" Indian in this side of the family.  The "Creates" were supposedly from the southeastern part of the United States but I have not verified their existence nor any connection as of yet.
     Married: Noah Fleetwood Collie, 1906, Hubbard, Hill Co, TX
     Emma was a housewife/farmer's wife all her life.  She arrived in Texas shortly after the turn of the century (1900) via wagon from the Pinebluff, AR area.  I don't know if she and her family lived there for any length of time.  After marrying Noah Collie, she is known to have lived in the Hubbard, Kirkland, Dimmit and Teague (Donie community) areas of Texas.
     Her mother-in-law was an Elizabeth (Lizzie or Polly) Young Collie White.  Lizzie's mother was a Polly Young, maiden name unknown.  Both ladies came to Texas with the Crye family is my understanding.

     Children of Noah F. and I. Emma Collie were (in no particular order):
Ruby or Rubye Collie m/ Robert Howard Pharis (died in Tarrant Co. TX)
Tylas Dempsey Collie, b. 02/07/1911, d. 12/18/1976, buried in Union Cemetery, Freestone Co., TX  m/ Leola Myrtle Eppes
Irene Collie Bentley Cloud (died in Waco, TX)
Tessie Modene Collie, b. 09/22/1922, d. 01/29/1998, buried in Cedar Hill Cemetery,        Abilene, TX m/ Nathaniel J. Tims
Bessie Ailene Collie Nesbitt (died in Sandusky, Ohio area)
Freeman Ray Collie, died 2003 m/ Peggy Joyce Lancaster
Twins, died at birth or shortly after, other info unknown


Email:  Grandma Collie (Ida Emmaline) was a feisty little woman up until her death.  She had a double-barreled shotgun and no one went on her property after dark without first announcing themselves from the road!  Until she was placed in a nursing home in Teague, TX shortly before her death, she lived in a 3-room house, drawing her water from a well (she didn't like "city" water) and using either a slop bucket or an outhouse.  She often told stories of feeding the "hobos" from her back door up until the middle 1950's and always cautioned us not to talk to them or let them in the house.  When my mother (Tessie M. Collie Tims) was about 14, Grandma Collie had a major stroke, leaving my mother to care for her, the family and other children, and doing housework while also going to school.  Grandma Collie was an accomplished seamstress, teaching all her female children and female grandchildren (those that would learn) how to sew.  I have several quilts made my Grandma Collie and my mother.

     Diseases prevalent in this side of the family include heart trouble (including stroke) and rheumatoid arthritis.       Anyone with any information, please contact me at:  thomaspaulat@aol.com


 
 
THE CHEROKEE REMOVAL 
THROUGH THE EYES OF A PRIVATE SOLDIER:

This letter is written by PVT. JOHN G. BURNETT, 2nd Regiment, 2nd Brigade, Mounted Infantry, 1838-1839. 
John wrote this to his grandchildren on his 80th birthday and I will have to do this in installments as it is long.    JS

INSTALLMENT # 2

Chief Junaluska was personally acquainted with President Andrew Jackson.  Junaluska had taken five hundred of the flower of his Cherokee Scouts (these were actually Warriors /js) and helped Jackson to win the Battle of Horse Shoe (Battle of Horseshoe Bend with the Creeks 1813-1814/js) leaving thirty-three of them dead on the field.  And in that battle Junaluska had drove his tomahawk through the scull of a Creek Warrior, when the Creek had Jackson at mercy.

Chief John Ross sent Junaluska as an envoy to plead with President Jackson for protection of his people, but Jackson's manner was cold and indifferent toward the rugged son of the forest who had saved his life.  He met Junaluska, heard his plea but curtly said "Sir, your audience is ended, there is nothing I can do for you".  The doom of the Cherokees was sealed.  Washington, DC had decreed that they must be driven West, and their lands given to the white man and in May 1838 an Army of four thousand regulars and three thousand volunteer soldiers under command of General Winfield Scott, marched into the Indian country and wrote the blackest chapter on the pages of American History.  (The number of regular and volunteer soldiers that were sent into the area was much greater that Pvt. Burnett apparently knew, being (at some counts) over 7 thousand regulars and 12 thousand volunteers, some of the soldiers were sent west, while some were sent to Fla fight the Siminoles/js).

Men working in the fields were arrested and driven to the stockades.  Women were dragged from their homes by soldiers whose language they could not understand.  Children were often separated from their parents and driven into the stockades with the sky for a blanket and the earth for a pillow.  And often the old and infirm were prodded with bayonets to hasten them into the stockades.

In one home, death had come during the night, a little sad faced child had died and was lying on a bear skin couch and some women were preparing the little body for burial.  All were arrested and driven out leaving the child in the cabin.  I don't know who buried the body.

In another home was a frail Mother, apparently a widow and three small children, one just a baby.  When told that she must go the Mother gathered the children at her feet, prayed a humble prayer in her native tongue, patted the old family dog on the head, told the faithful creature good-by, with the baby strapped on her back and leading a child with each hand started on her exile.  But the task was too great for that frail Mother.  A stroke of heart failure relived her sufferings.  She sunk and died with her baby on her back, and her other two children clinging to her hands.

Chief Junaluska who had saved President Jackson's life at the Battle of Horse Shoe witnessed this scene, the tears gushing down his cheeks and lifting his cap he turned his face towards the Heavens and said "Oh my God if I had known at the battle of the Horse Shoe what I know now, American History would have been differently written.

(Note from Jackie: Many accounts of what Junaluksa said have been written differently, but the jest of what he said is true, that had he known then, how Andy Jackson would turn on the Cherokee's, he would have let the Creek warrior kill him, or that he was sorry he saved his life, which is understandable).

 At this time 1890 we are too near the removal of the Cherokees for our young people to fully understand the enormity of the crime that was committed against a helpless race, truth is the facts are being concealed from the young people of today.  School childrenof today do not know that we are living on lands that were taken from a helpless race at the bayonet point to satisfy the white man's greed for gold.
 Future generations will read and condemn the act and I do hope posterity will remember the private soldier like myself, and like the four Cherokees who were forced by General Scott, to shoot an Indian Chief and his children, (we) had to execute the orders of our Superiors.  We had no choice in the matter.  (Note from Jackie:   He is speaking of "Tsa'li"  pronounced "Sally", the Cherokee who the play "Unto These Hills" is about). 

 Twenty-five years after the removal it was my privilege to meet a large company of the Cherokees in Uniform of the Confederate Army under the command of Colonel (William) Thomas, they were encamped at Zollicoffer.  I went to see them.  Most of them were just boys at the time of the removal but they instantly recognized me as "the soldier that was good to us".  Being able to talk to them in their native tongue I had an enjoyable day with them.  From them I learned that Chief John Ross was still ruler of the nation in 1863.  And I wonder if he is still living?  He was a noble hearted fellow and suffered a lot for his race.
 At one time he was arrested and thrown into a dirty jail in an effort to break his sprit, but he remained true to his people and he led them in prayer when they started on their exile.  And his Christian wife sacrificed her life for a little girl who had pneumonia.  The Anglo Saxon race should build a towering monument to perpetuate her noble act in giving her only blanket for comfort of a sick child.  Incidentally the child recovered, but Mrs. Ross is sleeping in an unmarked grave far from her native Smoky Mountain home.

 When Scott invaded the Indian country some of the Cherokees fled to caves and dens in the mountains and were never captured and they are there today.  I have long intended going there and trying to find them but I have put off going from year to year and now I am too feeble to ride that far.  The fleeting years have come and gone and old age has overtaken me.  I can truthfully say that neither my rifle, nor my knife are stained with Cherokee blood.

 I can truthfully say that I did my best for them when they certainly did need a friend.  Twenty-five years after the removal I still lived in their memory as "the soldier who was good to us".

 However, murder is murder whether committed by the villain skulking in the dark or by the uniform men stepping to the strains of martial music.

 Murder is murder and somebody must answer, somebody must explain the streams of blood that flowed in the Indian country in the summer of 1838.  Somebody must explain the four-thousand silent graves that mark the trail of the Cherokees to their exile.  I wish I could forget it all, but the picture of six-hundred and forty-five wagons lumbering over the frozen ground with their Cargo of suffering humanity still lingers in my memory.

 Let the Historians of a future day tell the sad story with its sighs, its tears and dying groans.  Let the great Judge of all the earth weigh our actions and reward us according to our work.

 Children --- Thus ends my promised birthday story.  This December the 11th, 1890. 

 This is an excerpt of Pvt. John G. Burnett's letter, as published in the "Cherokee Journals", and transcribed for this list by Jackie Smith.

 PS.. If any of you have any questions, I will be glad to TRY and answer them, please send to MY email addy.. pps@mylink.net


Continued from the last issue  [Issue 4   Vol 8]

JOHN CRYE
and
MARGARET CATHERINE SHIMMIN

     In previous issues of this publication I began a discussion of the children of John and Catherine Shimmin Crye.  I have been trying to complete sharing information on this family so this article is continued from the previous issue.  In John’s  will he lists his children as William, David, John, James, Isabella, Sarah, Catherine, and Margaret.   An additional son Hugh has been identified to me by LDS researchers but was not mentioned in the will.

WILLIAM CRYE  and  SARAH HAGINS CRYE

William Crye born ca 1755 m/Sarah Higgins/Hagan

Children are:
Catron born 08/27/1780 NC   Mary born 01/20/1794 GA/TN
William Jr born 05/19/1782 SC   John born 06/18/1796 GA/TN
Hugh born 11/05/1784 GA/TN Isabel born 08/10/1798 GA/TN
Mary born  12/08/1786 GA/TN James born 01/07/1801 GA/TN
Joseph born 03/05/1789 GA/TN David born 02/05/1803 GA/TN
Sarah born  09/12/1791 GA/TN Jonathan born   09/07/1806 GA/TN
Jonathan (John, William) Crye is first mentioned in William Crye’s Rev. War Pension declaration.  (See Issue 1 Vol 1)  Jonathan married Edith L. Ayers/Pierce.

Jonathan (John, William) Crye & Edith Ayers/Pearce/Pierce’s eighth known child was Timothy Titus/H. Crye b 1853 in Bradley Co. TN.  Timothy is located in the 1880 census in two different households.  In both he is listed as a laborer, but with differences in age and name.  Timothy H. is how he is listed in one household and yet families who have contacted me tell me his name was Timothy Titus Crye.  The family Bible from 1842 lists his name as Timothy H. Crye born February 7, 1848.  The 1850 census does not list Timothy as being born yet, but in the 1860 census he is age 7.  Possibly born about 1853.  Records state that a Timothy Crye married Samantha Ellen Lawson in Bradley Co. TN April 18, 1883.  Samantha is a sister to John Westley Price Lawson who married Parmelia Crye who is Johnathan Crye’s sister, (Timothy’s father).

According to records, the youngest child was born in Texas ca 1905 leading us to believe that Timothy died between 1905 and 1910.  Samantha is still in Garvin Co. OK in 1920 and living in another household as a border.  Her youngest child Cressville, is enumerated with her.

We do not know the exact time frame of migration on this family.  Information gathered through emails and the Internet show both families decide to make the trek out west sometime between 1900 & 1905.

With the death of Timothy’s mother Edith L. Ayers/Pierce some time around 1885 and the loss of a daughter in 1890 I am sure a future with a new start sounded good.  About the age of 45-50 years occasionally people get restless in their lives and look for a fresh start.  A new beginning surrounded by family you haven’t seen in awhile just might have seem irresistible - new land, new adventure, new hope, and a new future.

I understand that some time about 1905 land out west was being allotted to those who could prove their Indian Heritage.  There has always been discussion of Native American blood in the East Tennessee Crye’s, so possibly Timothy and James felt they could provide this evidence and begin anew on fresh soil.  Whatever the reason for their move, it proved to be a final and fateful journey for Timothy.

Here is a governmental time line for the territory from 1901 – 1907 when Oklahoma entered the union.

1901
The Spindletop oil gusher in Beaumont, Texas, opens a century when "black gold" will play a vital role in the economy of the West, as Americans exchange the horse for the horsepower of the automobile.

1901
Congress confers U.S. citizenship on all Native Americans residing in the Oklahoma Territory after the failure of an 1890 law that offered citizenship to Indians who applied for it.  Only four applicants had taken advantage of the earlier law, all of whom evidently suffered ostracism for adopting the white man's ways.

1902
Owen Wister publishes The Virginian, a novel romanticizing cowboy life in the Wyoming cattle country of the 1870s, which introduces the strong, silent hero and the climactic "showdown" to the growing myth of the American West.

1902
President Theodore Roosevelt secures passage of the Newlands Reclamation Act, an unprecedented law authorizing federal construction of dams and reservoirs in the West funded by public land sales.  The act is designed to promote settlement (rather than industry) by limiting tracts within the water project areas to 160 acres, in accordance with the 1862 Homestead Act, and is designed to be self-sustaining by passing the costs of construction on to water-users, who are to assume management of each project once the federal government has been reimbursed.

In practice, these latter aspects of the law often prove unworkable, and the effect of the Newlands Act is to institute a massive federally-funded public works program operating under bureaucratic control that measures its success by the number of dams built and the millions of acres of water impounded.  By this measure, the Newlands Act achieves outstanding success, leading ultimately to the colossal projects of the Depression years: Hoover Dam, the Grand Coulee Dam, Shasta Dam and the Glen Canyon Dam.

1905
President Theodore Roosevelt transfers management of the federal forest reserves to the United States Forest Service, an agency headed by college-trained conservationist Gifford Pinchot. Invoking scientific principles and applying bureaucratic procedures, Pinchot works effectively to guarantee the long-term usefulness of western timberlands, resisting business interests that would exploit them for short-term profit as well as preservationists, led by John Muir, who would remove them forever from the national economy.

1905
Western Federation of Miners official, William K. "Big Bill" Haywood, hoping to broaden the base of unionism in the West, co-founds the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW), a socialist organization opposed to capitalism and dedicated to the creation of "One Big Union" for all members of the working class rather than individual unions for each industry.  IWW members become known as "Wobblies," a nickname that has never been successfully explained.

1906
A devastating earthquake virtually destroys San Francisco, setting off fires that burn out eight square miles in the city, leaving 250,000 homeless.

Congress adopts the Preservation of American Antiquities Act, designed primarily to protect historic sites for posterity. President Theodore Roosevelt turns the law to his conservationist purposes by using it to preserve natural treasures, like Devil's Tower in Wyoming and the Grand Canyon in Arizona, which he designates National Monuments.

1906
The San Francisco school board orders segregation of Asian children in the city's public schools, setting off an international crisis when Japan protests that such discrimination violates its treaty relationships with the United States.

1907
Oklahoma enters the union.

Here is another governmental tidbit that might account for the move to Texas.

On February 26, 1887, Winkler County was established from territory in Tom Green County.  It was named for Confederate Col. Clinton M. Winkler.  By 1890 eleven men and seven women, all white, lived in Winkler County.  The state ended free use of its land in 1900, and state agents were sent across West Texas to collect rents from ranchers on public land.  In the census of 1900 twelve ranches, totaling 67,537 acres and 11,982 cattle, were operated by four owners and eight nonowners, and the county population was sixty.  From 1901 through 1905 a state law allowed the sale of school lands in West Texas.  Since one could purchase four sections of land on generous credit terms, Winkler and other West Texas counties experienced a school-land rush as new settlers arrived.  In 1905 the law was changed to benefit the highest bidder, but newcomers continued to come to Winkler County.  To serve the new residents, a post office was opened at Duval on April 3, 1908.  It was located on the John Howe ranch,  1½  miles  west ofof the site of present Kermit.  Lots in the town site of Duval were widely promoted, and the town competed with Kermit for the county seat.  When the promoters of Kermit town site offered lots for free, county residents chose that town as the seat.  After losing the race with Kermit, Duval faded, and the post office closed in 1910.  A post office was established at Joiel from 1908 through 1910 and at Theodore from 1909 until 1912.  In 1910 Kermit and Hay Flat gained post offices.  A school was built at Hay Flat in 1910 and operated until it was consolidated with the Kermit school in 1913; that year the Hay Flat post office closed.  On April 5, 1910, Winkler County was organized.

At this point, I can only speculate as to why the move to Texas.  I would love input from someone in this family for more discussion and clarity.

Timothy (John, William, Jonathan) Crye isn’t found again in census records after 1900, but his wife and children are.  Scattered as they appear, we have been able to track their travels to a degree.  We have had very limited contact with descendants of this family, but welcome comments and corrections to our discussion today.  One descendant tells me that the original destination for these two families was Texas, which is corroborated with the oldest son John living with his uncle Richard in Texas in 1910.  The email I received stated that Timothy died in Texas and Samantha removed herself to Garvin Co., OK by the 1910 census.

In the paragraphs above we see that Oklahoma came into the statehood in 1907.  This might have been the time when Samantha moved to Oklahoma.  As her oldest son stays in Texas with his uncle it is possible that Timothy did die in Texas.  However, let me pose this thought.  From the 1910 – 1930 census Samantha stays in Garvin Co., OK, and subsequently dies there.  Would it be plausible that Timothy actually died in Garvin Co., OK?  I have found in research that wives generally would not or did not move from where they laid their husbands to rest and since Samantha stays in Oklahoma my thinking is Timothy is probably buried there too.  If I am mistaken in this theory, someone please email me or write to me and give me the updated information.  Having a location of Timothy and Samantha’s graves would be such an asset to this research.  Thank you so much.

Timothy (John, William, Jonathan) Crye and Samantha Ellen Lawson had seven children that we have record of:  Jonathan Ethan, Daisy W., Luther B., Bascombe, P., Richard, Vesta Beulah, and Cressville.

In the 1900 Polk Co, TN census, Timothy and his brother James Monroe are living side by side.  This is a neighboring county to Bradley where they were both born.  Timothy and Samantha list they have had five children with four alive.   By the 1910 census the family is found living in Garvin Co. OK.  Samantha is enumerated in the Horace Dorsey household, a widower, and she is listed as a housekeeper.  Her youngest two children are listed with her.  She states she has had seven children and six have lived and that she is a widow.

Looking for the children in the 1910 census has proven to be a challenge.  Jonathan, born in 1883-4 was not found in 1910 with the rest of the family.  There is a John Crye of the right age living with Richard, Timothy’s brother, in 1910 that appears to be this son.  (See Issue 3 Vol 8)  He is listed as a widow and born in TN.

This first child, Jonathan Ethan or J.E., was born in 1883-4 in TN.  He married Mary Elizabeth Kelly in 1912 in Bradley Co., TN and they are found in the 1920 Census for Bradley and Murray Co., GA.  The Bradley Co. census was taken January 21, 1920 and Murray Co., GA was taken January 29, 1920 leading us to believe that they moved from Bradley to Murray during this time.  Jonathan can read and write and is listed as a general farmer.  By the 1930 census Jonathan E. and Mary Kelly had moved to Jackson Co., AL and his occupation is once again listed as a general farmer.

Jonathan E. and Mary Kelly Crye had seven children of record.  The 1920 Census of Bradley Co., list the family as John 37, Mary, 27, Sirena 9, Sherman 7, Hershel 5, Mildred 3, Hazel 4/12.  The 1920 Census of Murray Co., GA lists the family as John 38, Mary 25, Reney 12, Sherman 8, Hershall 6, Mildred 3, and Hazel 4/12.  By the time the 1930 census was taken, records indicate two additional children were born:  a female who died just a few days old in 1922 and another son born in 1928, Lloyd.  Currently, Lloyd lives in Henegar, AL.

Jonathan died in March 1966 in DeKalb Co., Henegar, AL and is buried there.  Mary died in 1984 and is also buried in the Henegar Cemt.  Their obituaries are as follows:

Obit:  Chattanooga Times, (TN) 12/12/1984

Mrs. Mary Elizabeth Crye, 92, of Henagar, Ala, died Tuesday.  Survivors include two sons, Loyd and Hershal Crye, both of Henagar; three daughters, Mildred Campbell, Flint City, FL, Hazel King, Nashville, and Rena Richmond, Cleveland; two brothers, Roy and E.B. Faulkner, both of Cleveland.  18 grandchildren and several great-grandchildren.  Services will be held at 2 p.m. CST Thursday in the funeral home chapel.  Burial will be in Henagar Cemetery.  Arrangements by Kerby Funeral Home, Henagar.
Obit in Cleveland Daily Banner:  March 10, 1966
John Crye, 82 a former resident of Cleveland, died suddenly at his home in Henagar, AL Wednesday evening.

He is survived by his wife, Mary Elizabeth Kelley Crye; three daughters; Mrs. Rufas Wallace of Cleveland, Mrs. Melvin King of Nashville, and Mrs. Mac Campbell of Henagar, AL, three sons: Sherman, Hershell and Lloyd Crye, all of Henagar, AL.  A brother, Cresbell Crye of Texas, 19 grandchildren and 13 great grandchildren.
Funeral arrangements are incomplete.  They will be announced by Wilson's Funeral Home of Fort Payne, AL.


to be continued in the next issue


LETTERS:

 
Hello, my name is Anita Green and I have been tracing the Crye/Cry family name for several years.  I am interested in information you might have regarding your William Cry from BC.


Well Howdy Anita, I'm so back logged with my Find A Grave e-mails that I can't get to them all.  Oh well, at least yours is a simple request so your at the top of my list (;

Well over the years I have seen a few "Cry" Graves but no "Crye" ones yet.  Most of the information I have on William was what I put on his Bio on F.A.G.  Born in the town of Rathfereend County Down Northern Ireland in July 1865.  He immigrated to Canada (Can't remember the date right now as I'm not with my records) with his brother James Cry to Prince Albert Sask were he worked as a Lumber Jack while his brother was a farmer.  William enlisted in the Canadian Forestry Corps at Prince Albert Sask on April 8th 1916.  (He lied about his age as he was 50 then).  He never married and after the war moved to New Westminster BC were he worked at the local Lumber yard on the Fraser River until his death in 1941.  The photo of William was taken in 1939/40 in New Westminster or Vancouver BC and is from the Fred Hazell Collection who has William’s WWI pay book and badges & discharge papers a few post war photos & documents. (BTW, William Cry was the only Cry who served in the Canadian Army in WWI and no Crye's served at all.  But there were two Cryer's killed during WWII)

Regarding the photos, he got them from a Antique dealer in Winnipeg Manitoba about 20 years ago and they came from the estate of either James Cry (brother) or one of his children in Manitoba or Saskatchewan.  BTW James Cry passed away in Prince Albert Sask in 1965.  (Yes I'm having someone looking into it.)
 

You list in the bio that he was born in Ireland, and came to Canada, and died there.


Well from what I found in the Canadian immigration & military records. You can look them up at 
www.archives.ca

Is there any chance he came into the US and had family there?

Funny that you should ask but there are a few additional Next of Kin addresses ca-1916 in faded old pencil & ink (So it’s hard to read) in his WWI pay book for Alice Wiseman 217 Oak (or Oakes) St. St. Paul Minn. (Sister)  There is another very blotchy address in ink that water has gotten to for a Michael Cry (Nephew) --43 Fro---ield (last part might be field) Lynwood Penn. (I couldn't find a Lynwood in PA so the town may have gotten swallowed up by a larger city over the past 80+ years).  But those are the only US connection with him.
 

Are there children that came to the US and had family?


Not with William as he was never married but his brother James had children (not sure how many).
 

I have traced everyone with the Crye name and have tried to put them all into some order, and some are just alone without additional family.


Well when tracing your family roots you not only find a lot of weeds (Grin) but dead branches as well, where the members die off with no children like William did.  BTW, if you like I will add the name Cry & Crye to my "Must Photograph" list if you wish.  I have about 10 names on the list and I have been able to help some folks over the years.  You see, I travel all over the US & Canada during my month long vacation (all of Sept & part of Oct).  This year its driving all the way to Higgensville, MO for a 3 day stay going over the Confederate Veterans Cemetery there & in Lexington MO as well.  Then it's off to Memphis TN were I attend a convention & visit their wonderful old cemeteries as well.  Then its off to Andersonville, GA to see all the Billy yanks buried there.  Then back on the road to Boynton Beach, FL to visit friends & Moss covered Bone Yards as well.  Then off to Nevada and then home. (Whew!! I call that "See the USA" Trip.)  Any way, I stop off at every cemetery I find along the way and take 100's if not 1000's of photos (Thank God for digital cameras).  In fact a Canadian cemetery in British Columbia, the Mountain View Cemetery in Vancouver, is 3 city blocks long & 1 block wide and broken down into 3 one block sections.  Each Section has a Veterans area (Legion & other Veteran groups like the VFW) along with veterans graves scattered all about as well. (I mostly do Veterans graves)  Any way to make a long story short it has taken me 4 trips during this July just to do the 1st section and I have over 3000 Veteran Grave photos just from that section never mind the other two O_O.  Good thing Vancouver Canada is only 45 mins from Sumas, WA.  Any way the reason I brought this up is I think there was a Cry grave in Vancouver so I'll go through the photos ASAP and I'll let you know. I'll keep an eye out for any other Cry or Crye grave stones in future grave yard hunting's.

I'll catch you later   Herb Rickards AKA The Furry Felon (;