Crye-Cry
Family Newsletter
ISSUE 3
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 VOL 9
July/August/September
agcrye@bellsouth.net 
2005

July 2005
“SUMMER”

      Here we are at the middle of another year of research and sharing.  Have you found anything that especially made you shout?  Some people just don’t understand the joy in discovering a lost family line, a living member of some misplaced family line, or even of a new line you didn’t even know existed.
      I have nearly completed my direct line through William Crye and his descendants, which is pointing me towards research on William’s brother’s and sisters.  William’s brother John who settled in Blount Co. TN is someone of interest to me.  Recently we sold our home in Maryville and the man who bought it, well, he is related to a family that married into the Crye family of Blount Co.  What a small world.  He was related to the Rhyne side, which also married into my immediate family.  It is really a close-knit world when we look at it.
      We have been back in Cleveland almost two years now, and the church is growing and doing well.  I continue to try to connect the dots with the Crye/Cry family and find some sources are well worth tapping into again and again.
 I have a particular line that I am working on that I simply cannot fully connect.  There are about 4 David Crye’s in the late 1700’s and early 1800’s that identifying who they belong to is going to be a challenge.  It will be interesting when it all goes to press, because just when you think you have it all figured out, something new pops up and you have to back up and regroup.  So, as we begin to print our finds on all these David’s, please send your thoughts and research to clarify what I am finding.
      Also, I have had the same email address for about 10 years (agcrye@bellsouth.net) and I plan to retain this as so many contact me with just a note here and there from time to time.  In consideration of my long running email addy, I have now put down roots for a website so I can upload the newsletters for public viewing.  I have quite a few loaded at this time, along with connections to additional websites of interest.  I am interested in putting the headstones of many of the graves of family members that I have found over the years, or have been sent.  That site will take a little longer to work out, but my research is available if anyone is interested in looking at it.  www.Crye-Cry.com.
      Soon the Winter Holidays will be upon us, but until then, let’s enjoy the last rays of summer, the hazy, lazy, crazy, days of summer and the joy of finding something new.                                                                                                                                                                                        Connecting the Dots                  Anita
DEFINITIONS OF SOME WORDS USED IN EARLY DOCUMENTS (1700s & 1800s)

Some words have many meanings; listed here are the definitions that pertain to wills, deeds, land patents & inventories.  All words listed here were found in these documents.

suithold... In feudal law, a tenure granted for attendance and services rendered a superior lord

tallow... The harder and less fusible fat in cows, sheep, etc; it is used to 
 make candles, soap, etc.

tobo... An abbreviation used for tobacco

traces... Either of two straps, chains, etc. connecting a draft animal's harness to the vehicle drawn

truss... A bundle of hay, especially one of a certain weight (usually 50-60 pounds)

truss... hoop In nautical usage, a hoop round a yard or mast to which an iron truss is fixed (this is the only definition I could find for "trus hoops" which was listed in an inventory).

unfeignedly... Sincere

viz or vizt... An abbreviation for videlicet meaning: That is to say; namely

voc vin Voc... stands for vocative (haven't figured out what vin is)

wafer... An adhesive disk of dried paste with added coloring matter used as a seal.

William, III, King... King William III, b. 1650; d. 1694 of small pox; addressed Parliament on 31 Dec 1701. King of Eng. 1689-1702

&c. ...Latin for et cetera; meaning: and others; and so forth; 
 (can be found at the end of all early Wills)

/... Symbol used to indicate shillings, i.e. (15/)

The end of definitions



 
 
Harris County GA Cemetery Records for Hamilton Cemetery
Contributed by Dawn Hadley-Swann and Jeffery T. Swann.
CRYE, Alleen Mobley 
04-02-1888 
09-13-1972
CRYE, Nancy Gaines 
02-08-1910 
09-18-1978
CRYE, William George Jr. 
09-02-1911 
07-03-1985
Son of William George & Alleen Crye
SCOGIN, Callie R
1854 
1927
Aunt of W. G. Crye
CRYE, William George Sr
11-01-1882 
08-08-1961
CRYE, Joel David 
09-26-1920 
10-30-1920
Son of W. G. & Alleen Crye

 
Brief Sketch of a Country Neighborhood
(Bradley Co. TN)
Chapter I
Long after William Bean had built his rude cabin on Tennessee soil, and some years after the hostile Indians had been subdued and Tennessee had already played an important part in national affairs, and about the time the elective franchise of county officers was placed in the hands of the people, there was a settlement made in the southeastern portion of Bradley County, which, I shall, for want of a better name, call Laurel Hill Settlement.  The history of this settlement is tantamount to that of other settlements in the extreme southeastern part of the state.  The first settlements were made in the year 1835 by emigrants mostly from Rhea and Monroe Counties, by parties who emigrated here to enter lands which cost from twelve and a half cents to seven dollars and fifty cents per acre.

Although it was not such an undertaking to make a settlement as it was in the time of John Sevier and James Robison, [sic] it was still quite an undertaking.  First a cabin must be built which consists of large logs, hewn into shape and fitted into each other by means of notches at the ends, for walls.  The cracks between the logs were filled with short pieces of wood, around these was daubed a plaster made of clay.  The doors were made of heavy cross pieces and the floor of logs hewn flat, called puncheon floor.  The chimney was made of sticks and clay, the roof of clap boards or long oak shingles fastened by heavy logs.  There were no nails in them of course.  The windows, if any, had greased paper for glass with a heavy shutter to close in rough weather.

Next came the clearing of the land which consisted in cutting down and burning the undergrowth and deadening the large growth.  By undergrowth it meant the smallest of the timber, there being no such thickets as we now have.  The timber was prepared for burning by cutting the logs short enough for several strong men to carry and pile them into heaps.  This was called a log rolling.

This was done in a very primitive style, the settler’s farming tools being as primitive as his cabin; besides having no farm wagons and other modern conveyances, he had but little knowledge of controlling stock, especially the horse.  He thought the horse was too speedy for a beast of burden, so the faithful ox was mostly relied upon.  The first horse which pulled the plow in this section were not driven but were ridden by a boy.  It took two hands to run one little narrow plow, one to guide the horse, the other to hold the plow.  It must be remembered that quite a number of settlers came to this place about the same time and they would assist each other with their work.  This it is that made the house raising, the log rolling and the corn husking so famous in this section.  The neighbors would congregate and relate their adventurous experiences and these were grand times although everything now seems to have been so rude.  There still survives two or three of these old settlers in this section.  If  you desire to see the first fire of youth flush the countenance of one of them only introduce a conversation on olden times.  His tongue will no longer cleave to the roof of his mouth but he will soon wax eloquent and will never tire of the theme.

The soil was very fertile when first cleared as had already been said, there were no worthless clusters of bushes as we have now.  The Indians kept the woods burnt so as to kill the undergrowth and instead of it, the ground was covered with a heavy broad bladed grass that made excellent pasturage.  This grass, like the buffalo, disappeared as civilization advanced.  The question is sometimes asked, why a piece of new ground in this section will not produce like it once did?  An old settler will immediately answer because the broad bladed grass is gone and clusters of bushes have taken its place and have absorbed the substance of the soil.  It may seem a little strange to some of my readers that the Indians were here so late as 1835.  This southeastern corner of the state, south of the Hiawassee and east of the Tennessee, is what is known as the new purchase which was last treated to the whites.  The Indians were wroth with their chiefs who treated it away and the chiefs had to keep guard to keep the Indians from seeking revenge on them.  The chiefs were sensible men and knew it was the best thing that could be done.  The Indians left here in the fall of 1838 and in the spring on 1839.  The government paid for their transportation.  Where an Indian was able to move his own family, he did so, and the government paid him the cost of the same.

Chapter II
The First Settlers

Samuel Howard built a cabin in the neighborhood of Laurel Hill in the year 1834.  This was as early as I can ascertain the beginning of the history of the settlement.  He emigrated from Rhea County.  He was a man of medium height and weighed over two hundred pounds.  He was very firm and quiet and was a man of great soundness of judgment.  He was one of the first justices of the peace ever elected in Bradley County.  At that time a justice was considered the most learned man to be found and it was true to a considerable extent.  There were but a few preachers or doctors and if a schoolteacher could work to the double rule of three he was very learned indeed.  He reared five children, one son, Logan, and four daughters, Zina, Sarah, Catherine, and Margaret.  Mr. Howard was a very worthy character and many of his descendants are proud of their ancestry.

The next settler in this community was William Howard, a brother of the venerable squire.  He lived about two miles from his brother and was also a worthy character.  He reared a large family, mostly boys, who are scattered in many parts of the country and who still maintain the manliness common to the Howard stock.

Henry Airheart was the next squatter in this section.  He also emigrated from Rhea.  He was a Dutchman and was the father of a large family of girls and boys, who are the grandmothers and grandfathers of quite a generation scattered abroad over this country.  Mr. Airheart’s wife was so large and such a curiosity that the ferryman at Blythe’s Ferry, as they moved to this county, said she was show enough to pay the ferriage.

James Lauderdale emigrated soon after the Howards from the same county.  Mr. Lauderdale was the first sheriff of Bradley County.  His folks are all gone from here.

Elias Hutchinson emigrated from some of the upper counties and was the first blacksmith in the settlement.  He, of course, being the first manufacturer, was a very important character.  His family is gone from here and I know little of him.

John Johnson was among the first squatters of 1836.  He emigrated from Monroe County.  He was a genial man, full of fun, but was a devout Christian of the Methodist order, and was a great Sunday school man.  He would read the scriptures and comment on them at Sunday school, and never saw a word he could not pronounce, though a goodly number he pronounced wrong.  Mr. Johnson had a good wife.  They reared a large family and both died since the war at a ripe old age.

Among the immigrants, while the Indians were still here, was Samuel Maroon.  Mr. Maroon was a very firm, industrious man and became one of the best farmers in the section.  He lived to a ripe old age and left a family of both boys and girls, some of whom still live at the old Maroon settlement.  After Mr. Maroon’s boys were grown and had learned to drive horses to the wagon, he said he could yoke his oxen and drive two miles before every boy on the place could put the cheek lines on their horses.

About the same year, 1836, Henderson Thatch emigrated from Monroe County and settled neighbor to Mr. Maroon.  Mr. Thatch was a man of medium height, of red complexion and weighed about one hundred and seventy-five pounds.  He was raised as a bound boy in North Carolina, emigrated to Monroe County, and there by industry and economy, accumulated enough to enter his farm in the new territory and to loan money to many of his neighbors who emigrated later.  Mr. Thatch was a strict Methodist.  If his boys transgressed his rules on Sunday, he did not correct them that day, but brought them to taw on Monday morning.  He was married twice and was the father of four girls by his first wife and seven boys by his second.  He built the first threshing machine ever pulled by horse power in this neighborhood.  It was a permanent wood structure in a large two-story barn and the people had to haul their grain to it.  He threshed for the straw.  Before this they whipped out their grain with a hickory club called a flail.  Mr. Thatch lived to be old and died beloved and respected by all who knew him.

To Be Continued in Next Issue

OBITUARIES

Chattanooga Times May 20, 1993
HUTTON, ZULA MAE CRYE, 78 of Fort Oglethorpe, died Wednesday in a local hospital.  She was retired from Peerless Woolen Mills and was the widow of William J. Hutton.  Survivors include three sons, Charles Hutton, Henderson, NC, Richard Hutton, McMinnville, TN, David Hutton, Pullman, WA; daughter, Margaret York, Fort Oglethorpe; 14 grandchildren and six great-grandchildren.  Services will be at 11 a.m. Saturday in the funeral home chapel with the Rev. Steve Riley officiating.  Burial will be in Lakewood Memory Gardens, South.  The family will receive friends after 5 p.m. Friday at the South Crest Chapel of Lane Funeral Home.



GRADY LEE CRYE
      Grady Lee Crye, 77, a resident of Benton, TN passed away Friday, June 3, 2005, in a Cleveland health care facility.  He was a native and lifelong resident of Polk Co.
      He was the son of the late E.M. and Leona Oliver Crye, and was also preceded in death by his sister Bonnie Trotter LaFerry.  He was a veteran of the U.S. Navy serving during World War II.  He retired from TVA after 34 years of service.  He was a member of First Baptist Church in Benton.
      He is survived by his wife of 56 years, Cleo Crye of Benton; two sons and a daughter-in-law: Mike and Kay Crye of Ocoee, and Tim Crye of Jacksonville, FL; and one nephew and his spouse, Jerry and Joyce Trotter of Athens.
      The funeral will be conducted at 4:00 p.m. Monday, June 6, 2005 at the First Baptist Church of Benton with the Rev. Robbie Speights officiating.  Interment will follow in Benton Memorial gardens.  His family will receive friends from 2 to 4 p.m. Monday at the church in Benton.


Lambert, Mrs. Frances Crye, 85 of Newnan, GA, died Sunday, February 2, 2003 at Georgian Place in Newnan, Ga.  She was a very active member of First United Methodist Church of Newnan.  She taught school in Coweta County at Atkinson School for at least 41 years, was active in the ADK teacher sorority and was an avid bridge player.  She taught Sunday School for many years and painted china in her spare time.  Surviving are daughter, Elizabeth “Beth” (Lambert) Frost of Albuquerque, NM; son William “Butch” Lambert of Newnan, GA.
     The family was receiving friends at McKoon Funeral Home 6-8 p.m. Monday Feb 3.  A funeral will be at Newnan First United Methodist Church at 4 p.m. Tuesday, Feb 4.  Rev. Larry Patton will officiate.  Burial will be in Forest Lawn Memorial Park in Newnan.  Pallbearers will be Herman Fletcher, Cliff Smith, Proctor Smith, Cliff Smith Jr., Charles Mansour, & Carl Williams.  Contributions may be made to First United Methodist Church.
     McKoon Funeral Home, Newnan, GA.


Chattanooga Times   April 27, 1989
CRYE—THEODORE OWENS, 77 of Hixson, died Friday in a local hospital.  Retired from Holsum Bakery after 20 years of service, he was a member of the Hixson Lions Club, Hixson Lodge 727 F&AM, Scottish Rite and was a 32nd degree Mason.  He was a member of the Little Coon and Hunt Club, and was a former member of Hamil Road Presbyterian Church, where he served as a  deacon and elder.  He was a U.S. Army veteran of World War II.  Survivors include his wife, Jimmye L. Crye; two sons, Daniel O. and Rodney A. Crye, all of Hixson; three sisters, Ruth Crye, Hixson, Zelma Mosley, Summerville, GA, and Sue Perry, Miami; two brothers, John Crye, Illinois, and Lewis Crye, Jamestown, AL.  Services will be at 1 p.m. today in the funeral home chapel with Dr. Al Bowles and the Rev. Mark Gooden officiating.  Burial will be in Hamilton Memorial Gardens, Masonic graveside services will be conducted by Hixson Lodge 727 F&AM.  Arrangements by Chattanooga Guardian Chapel, North.

Descendants of William & Sarah Hagins Crye’s son James


La Crosse Tribune  March 2, 2004

MORGAN—EDWIN L. “ED”  88, of La Crosse died Saturday, Feb. 28, 2004, at Gundersen Lutheran Medical Center, La Crosse. Ed was born May 6, 1915, in La Farge, WI, to Charles and Margaret (Halverson) Morgan.
      On June 23, 1940, he married Lois Loken in La Farge. They moved to La Crosse, where he worked for Modern Laundry & Dry Cleaning, and later was the manager for New Process Dry Cleaning and Boulevard Cleaners for many years.
      Ed was always active in anything to benefit La Crosse education. He was president of the La Crosse PTA and served on the board of education. Ed was very musical, he taught himself to play the piano and sang on the radio in La Crosse in the 1940s. He was a lifelong member of the Asbury United Methodist Church, where he served in many capacities. Ed was a loving and devoted husband, father, grandfather and great-grandpa.
      He enjoyed many long-lasting friendships, and he never met a person he couldn't talk to. Ed's stories about life in the La Farge area, the Kickapoo Valley, his great sense of humor and his love for his family and friends will be missed by all who knew and loved him.
      Ed is survived by his wife, Lois Morgan of La Crosse; daughters, Diane (Terry) Baier of La Crosse, Marilyn (David) Shepardson of Coon Valley, Wis., and Kim (Tom) Erbach of Rochester, Minn.; a son, Richard (Ruth) Morgan of La Crosse; thirteen grandchildren; and 11 great-grandchildren. He was preceded in death by his parents and three great-grandchildren.
      Memorial services will be Thursday, March 4, 2004, at 2 p.m. from Asbury United Methodist Church, 1818 Redfield Street, La Crosse. The Rev. Michael K. Morning will officiate. Friends may call at the church on Thursday from 1 p.m. until the time of service. In lieu of flowers, memorials are preferred. The Woodruff-Jandt Funeral Home, La Crosse, is in charge of the arrangements.

Descendant of William & Sarah Hagins Crye’s son Joseph



 
 Chattanooga Times  September 25, 1965
CRYE—MRS. CORA ODESSA, 68, of 1108 Colrain St. La Feyette, GA, widow of D.M. Crye, died in a local hospital Thursday night.  Mrs. Crye is survived by two brothers Jacob Boman and William Boman, both of LaFayette; a niece. Mrs. Robert Cates, with whom she lived:  a nephew, Bill Maples of LaFayette and several other nieces and nephews.  Funeral services will be held at 2 o’clock this afternoon at the Evangelical Methodist Church, the Revs. Eugene Gilreath, George Harris and Earl Parrish officiating.  Interment will be in the LaFayette Cemetery.  Active pall bearers:  John B. Rogers, Lester Broome, Tom Langham, Harold Hamby, Cecil Bryant and Edward Webb.  Honorary pallbearers will be members of the Bible Class of Evangelical Baptist Church.  The body is at the funeral home of J. Avery Bryan Company in LaFayette, GA


Chattanooga Times  August 27, 1998
CRYE, CHRISTOPHER  Brentwood, TN, Christopher Lynn Crye, manager of Crye-Leike Realtors office in Brentwood died Tuesday, Aug 25, 1998 as a result of a horseback riding accident.  He was 32.
      He was a graduate of Germantown High School, and Arkansas State University, and was the president of Pi Kappa Alpha fraternity during his attendance at ASU.  He was an active member of Buddies of Nashville, the Greater Nashville Association of Realtors and Crye-Leike Realtors, Multi-Million Dollar Club.  Survivors include his father, Harold E. Crye, Memphis and Nashville; his mother, Mrs. Jane Proctor, Vienna, VA; and a brother, John B. Crye, Los Angeles, CA.
      A memorial service will be held Wednesday, Sept 2 at 1 p.m. at Judson Baptist Church, 4900 Franklin Rd.  Memorial contributions may be made to Buddies of Nashville in his name, or to a favorite charity.

Descendants of William & Sarah Hagins Crye’s son James

Continued from the last issue  [Issue 2   Vol 9]

JOHN CRYE
and
MARGARET CATHERINE SHIMMIN

     In previous issues of this publication I began a discussion of the children of John and Catherine Shimmin Crye.  I have been trying to complete sharing information on this family so this article is continued from the previous issue.  In John’s  will he lists his children as William, David, John, James, Isabella, Sarah, Catherine, and Margaret.   An additional son Hugh has been identified to me by LDS researchers but was not mentioned in the will.

WILLIAM CRYE  and  SARAH HAGINS CRYE

William Crye born ca 1755 m/Sarah Higgins/Hagan

Children are:
Catron born 08/27/1780 NC   Mary born 01/20/1794 GA/TN
William Jr born 05/19/1782 SC   John born 06/18/1796 GA/TN
Hugh born 11/05/1784 GA/TN Isabel born 08/10/1798 GA/TN
Mary born  12/08/1786 GA/TN James born 01/07/1801 GA/TN
Joseph born 03/05/1789 GA/TN David born 02/05/1803 GA/TN
Sarah born  09/12/1791 GA/TN Jonathan born   09/07/1806 GA/TN
Jonathan (John, William) Crye is first mentioned in William Crye’s Rev. War Pension declaration.  (See Issue 1 Vol 1)  Jonathan’s birth was given as September 7, 1806 in North Carolina.  Jonathan married Edith L. Ayers/Pierce.

Jonathan (John, William) Crye & Edith Ayers/Pearce/Pierce’s ninth known child was Joseph Henderson Crye, also known as Joe Crye.  Joe married Rebecca Jane Cash in Murray Co. GA October 26, 1879.  Joe and R.J are found in the 1880 census of Bradley County living with his mother, Edith and his brother Timothy H., previously discussed.  Living next door to them in this census is another brother James M. Crye.  These have been discussed in the previous newsletters.

Joe Crye, born in 1860, was the youngest known child of Jonathan and Edith Crye.  Dates on his headstone state he was born in November and his death certificate gives October of 1860, but no matter which month, he was born in, he was only a toddler when his father Jonathan chose to join in the fighting of the War of the Rebellion and was only three when his father died.  Edith continued to maintain the household until her death, with the older boys taking the lead.

Information from some contacts in the West did share that they thought Edith had married an Ayers after the death of Jonathan.  If that was true, it could have happened between 1863 when Jonathan died and 1864 where our marriage records begin here in Bradley Co.  Nothing is ever listed anywhere that she was married again, but on death records of her children some list her maiden name as Pierce and some as Ayers.  Joe’s wife Rebecca Jane listed her mother in law’s maiden name as Eliza Ayers.  My speculation is that she was married before she married Jonathan and her first child would have been an Ayers, but, no proof has ever been found, just theory.  Edith is always listed with the last name of Crye, including the 1870 and 1880 censuses.  Edith is not listed in the 1900 census, concluding that she died before 1900.  With Joe being the youngest, it is possible that he took care of her until her death.

Edith was noted in the tax records for Bradley Co. TN 1872-82 owning 40 acres in the eastern part of the county.  A flurry of land sales for Timothy in the mid 1880’s indicate Timothy inherited or purchased this land upon his mother’s death.

In the 1900 Census of Bradley County we find Joe and Rebecca Jane with the following children.  Jesse M., George H., Elijah M., Marcus L., Julia A., Lona A., Dovie, and Jessie W.  In the 1880 census Joe and Rebecca Jane are not listed with children, but from family and additional records we know that their first child was Greenfield Robert, who is not listed in the 1900 census at home.  He is found in the 1900 census of Texas and there it list November 1880 for his birth.  Green’s World War I Registration papers list he was born in December of 1880, and other records list January.  Green’s tomb stone records he was born in December of 1879.  As Rebecca’s marriage took place in October of 1879, it is doubtful that her first child was born so soon after.  The 1880 census was taken in July of 1880, and would have recorded him at that time had he arrived in either December or January of 1880.  Evidently, Green was born in the cold weather months, but more plausible to have arrived in Nov/Dec of 1880 -81 -82.

Family records indicate that Joe Crye and Rebecca Jane decided some time about 1887 to go to Texas and visit family there.  It had been about 25 years since some of the brothers had moved west, and Joe’s mom possibly had died about this time, as land records show a frenzy of land transactions between 1882-1886.  Anyway, Joe and Rebecca Jane traveled with their small family out west to visit his brother.  Either right before leaving Texas to return home, or while on the trip, Rebecca Jane lost a child in death.  We know from the family Bible that Mary M. Crye was born in September 1886, and she died in August 1887, almost a full year later.  This would have been the first girl of their small family of three.  Stories relate that Mary was buried in Texas and Joe and Rebecca returned to Tennessee where the remainder of their family was born, died and buried. Joedied in 1935 and Rebecca Jane in 1940.  Both are buried in Fort Hill Cemt, Cleveland, TN. You can view their headstone on my website homepage www.Crye-Cry.com.

Joe and Rebecca Jane are not found in newspapers (obits/marriages), land transactions, lawsuits, Circuit Court, Chancery Court or any other listing in our public records for Bradley County TN with the exception of land tax records.  It appears they lived a quiet and unassuming life, dying and leaving a legacy of family ties.

Just a side note which I find interesting.  Rebecca Jane Cash was born to Joel Sevier Cash and Malissa Carden.  Joel died during the Civil War of typhoid fever and Rebecca’s mother re-married to Greenfield Franklin Haney.  Malissa and he had five children, all boys, in their years together.  Rebecca Jane named her first child Greenfield Robert, more than likely a compliment to the man who had raised her as his own.

The 1910 census of Bradley County list Joe and Rebecca Jane with children, Marcus, Dovie, and Jefferson.  Next door is their daughter Julia who is married and has a daughter Mary B.  The very next household is Rebecca’s mother and stepfather, Green and Malissa Haney.  By 1910 the Woolen Mill and a couple of chair factories were very strong work places in Cleveland and most everyone in the Crye family worked at one or the other, but mostly the Woolen Mill.  To this day stories are still told of their work and supervision there.

By 1920 Joe and Rebecca Jane’s household has downsized tremendously to one child, Jefferson, or Uncle Jack to me.  He is married to Lessie Whitmire and they are living with Joe and R.J.

In the 1930 Bradley Co. TN census Joe and Rebecca J. are renting a house for $12.50 a month, and their household consist of a son Jessie M. a widow, and two grandchildren, Bennie K, and Christopher L. ages 8 and 5.

In 1998 I received four email correspondences from George Crye.  His conversation is interesting and gives a bit of information on the Indian theory of the family.
 

#1
Dear Anita:  Are you a member of the Crye Clan?  I don’t know of any one locally who spells it Cry, however there is a Krie spelling used by a few, but I know of no relation to this clan.  I will try to help you if I possibly can.  George Crye

#2
Hello Cousin, I had a minute and thought I would let you know that I haven’t received your newsletter yet.  I was talking to my sister Sandy and she said that she would be very interested in receiving this newsletter also.  I will try to get her address for you soon.  The best I can figure is that we are 3rd or 4th cousins.  You can tell me.  My grandfather’s name was Green Crye and he was raised out of Benton Pike.  My great grandmother was a full-blooded Cherokee from the tribe of “dog”.  This is all I can think of at present.  Hope to hear from you soon.  George Crye.
NOTE:  his great grandmother was Rebecca Jane Cash Crye

#3
     Hello Anita.  I received the newsletter today and was very impressed.  Seems that you have done a lot of research.  Our cousin, Jack Mullinax, son of Irene and Earl, has also traced the family name back to the Isle of Mann.  I didn’t know if you were in contact with him or not.  If not, he may have some interesting information for the newsletter.  He currently lives in Chattanooga, but works with my brother Thomas Crye of Crye Properties here in town.
     To the best of my knowledge, Green Crye’s mother was a full-blooded Cherokee from the tribe of Dog, in Cherokee North Carolina.  This information comes from Dennis Cowart, who is the son of Mary Lou Crye Cowart and George Cowart of Mississippi.  He told me of this several years ago at the reunion we have here in Cleveland.  Dennis now resides in Nashville and has done some research on our ancestors, but I think the most was done o the Cowart name.
     I am very interested in learning more about Green Crye and how he got his name.  I know that my father George Crye and all of his brothers were named with two names of the presidents of the USA.  Hence, George Jackson Crye.  I just thought of something else Dennis told me, that in the late 1800’s our great grandfather lived in NC and one of his brothers was hung as a horse thief.  Well, sorry about the long post, maybe I gave you some leads.  Looking forward to hearing more.  George Crye.

#4
     Hello Anita:  It’s good to hear from you, yes I did get your post and I do have a question.  Does anyone have any info on our relationship to the Dog Tribe of the Cherokee Nation?  My grandmother passed away when I was 7 years old and she was the only one I know of who may have been able to really tell the connection.  My wife also has Cherokee bloodline from the tribe of Coon, however, this connection seems lost too.
     I am really looking forward to the next newsletter.  You are doing a great job.  If I can be of any help, I will try to do what I can.   Oh yes, are there any Cryes left on the Isle of Mann?  I was talking to an O’Malley who said that the people of Mann were either fisherman or Pirates; I wonder which our ancestors were?
 


Now, let’s take a look at all the information provided above.  The first email mentions being a member of the Crye Clan.  Scottish families have clans, and Indians have clans, but from the taste of his letter I think he is talking about Indian heritage.  The second email clarifies this information with the line “Green Crye was raised out of Benton Pike and my great grandmother was a full bloodied…”  My assumption here is he is talking about Green’s mother, Rebecca Jane.

I do know that Rebecca Jane’s mother was Malissa Carden, and her mom was Dici Rigsby/Grigsby.  According to what I have learned about Indian heritage, this is handed down through the mother’s line, not the father’s.  Finding no evidence myself, I would love to see the documentation from someone who has traced this.

I can not conclude that Rebecca Jane Cash was or was not Indian,  I haven’t found information to correctly establish or deny this.  I have done minimal Indian research therefore am not knowledgeable in this area, but do welcome your input.  If someone will lead me in the right direction here I will do what I can to follow through on this information.
 

to be continued in the next issue



 
 
MARION COUNTY  GA  Brantley Methodist Church Cemetery
West off Highway 41 north on Hwy 352 Approx 8/10 mi.
Crye, James, 28 Mar 1868 -28 Mar 1868
Crye, J.J., 21 Jul 1830-30 May 1862
Parker, Dicy Crye, 2 Nov 1858-1 Feb 1942
Spinks, Frances Reddock Crye, 
b. in Upson Co. in 1835, 
d. in Marion County in 1930, no marker



 
Everyone who has ever bought a house will enjoy this. 



      A New Orleans lawyer sought an FHA loan for a client.  He was told the loan would be granted if he could prove satisfactory title to a parcel of property being offered as collateral.  The title to the property dated back to 1803, which took the lawyer three months to track down.  After sending the information to the FHA, he received the following reply (Actual letter): 

 "Upon review of your letter adjoining your client's loan application, we note that the request is supported by an Abstract of Title.  While we compliment the able manner in which you have prepared and presented the application, we must point out that you have only cleared title to the proposed collateral property back to 1803.  Before final approval can be accorded, it will be necessary to clear the title back to its origin.
      Annoyed, the lawyer responded as follows (actual letter): 
"Your letter regarding title in Case No. 189156 has been received.  I note that you wish to have title extended further than the 194 years covered by the present application.  I was unaware that any educated person in this country, particularly those working in the property area, would not know that Louisiana was purchased, by the U.S., from France in 1803, the year of origin identified in our application.
      For the edification of uninformed FHA bureaucrats, the title to the land prior to U.S. ownership was obtained from France, which had acquired it by Right of Conquest from Spain.  The land came into the possession of Spain by Right of Discovery made in the year 1492 by a sea captain named Christopher Columbus, who had been granted the privilege of seeking a new route to India by the Spanish monarch, Isabella.  The good queen, Isabella, being a pious woman and almost as careful about titles as the FHA, took the precaution of securing the blessing of the Pope before she sold her jewels to finance Columbus' expedition.
      Now the Pope, as I'm sure you may know, is the emissary of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and God, it is commonly accepted, created this world. 
      Therefore, I believe it is safe to presume that God also made that part of the world called Louisiana.  God, therefore, would be the owner of origin and His origins date back, to before the beginning of time, the world as we know it AND the FHA. 
      I hope you find God's original claim to be satisfactory.
      Now, may we have our loan?"
      The loan was approved.

Reckon our ancestors had this much trouble purchasing land?

 



 
LETTERS

Hi Anita, 
I'm Rebecca Kay Doty Neal (call me Becky). I'm the great-grand-daughter of Lola Alvira Crye.  I was born in Fort Wayne, Indiana and now live in Greene, New York.  However, most of my family is from and lives in the Fort Wayne, Indiana area. 

Rebecca Kay Doty Neal --> Genevieve Rahrig Doty --> Nellie Ann Lyons --> Lola Alvira Crye 

I'm really happy that you wrote.  I want to do as much of my family history as I can.  I have very little information on my Mother's side, but my Father's side goes back to the Mayflower.  I hope we can share as much as possible e-mail and regular mail.  I can make lots of copies of the things you want and need. 

I have my Mother's (Genevieve) Social Security number and I have her real card here.  I also have her Mother's (Nellie Ann Lyons) card. 

I do have pictures I can share.  I just picked up in my hands, a picture of my Grandpa Bill (William Rahrig) and Grandma Nellie Rahrig and their two sons Raymond (correct spelling) on the back of my picture and brother Robert Rahrig.  But not my Mom.  It must have been taken after my Mom died in Sept 6, 1953. 

It's a real good picture of them and I'd be happy to share a copy.  My Daughter Tracy is coming tomorrow and I asked her to bring her digital camera.  I'm just learning things about the computer.  But Tracy and my Husband Tom use them every day.  I will try to get Tracy to make a copy tomorrow and send it e-mail.  Tom is thinking about it over night.  They're both good at figuring things out.  We can try to help each other often I hope. 

I still have lots of their things.  One of them is a metal and wood cooking and frying fork, her metal cooking tongs, two metal cheese graters.  I have one of my Grandma Nellie's special cookbooks.  I can take pictures and you can see a different side of my Mom and Grandma Nellie. 

Do you have the Personal Ancestral File?  It's the genealogy software program that is available for free from the Church of Latter Day Saints web site.  If you have it, I will send you my entire file. 

Am I correct in assuming that the Hugh Crye that was murdered in 1891-3 married to Elizabeth Allen ?? are the parents of Lola Alvira? 

Thank you very much for your information. 
Best regards,

Becky Neal